All this thread will punish = the few idiots who boycott WSOP and WSOP possibly for losing a very few amateur, nameless players. The name pros who owe money will end up playing anyway, if they wanted to. And to send customers to Venetian is just lol.. Sheldon Adelson would be sitting there laughing his ass off... "so I campaign against online poker and these online guys come to me instead of the WSOP.. life is easy!!!"

A much better petition would be to have everyone sign up to shame these money-owing pros AT THE WSOP... when we see them we just yell out "YOU THIEF, GIVE BACK THE MONEY YOU OWE FULL TILT SO PLAYERS CAN BE PAID". If everyone here pledges to do that, the effect would be absolutely dramatic.

I guess a bunch of people getting thrown out of the Rio for constantly shouting every time they see an FTP pro would be pretty dramatic.

A few security guards in a large room of thousands will not be chasing hundreds of random players a day who each individually say something once, then calmly walk away from the name pro without causing any further commotion.

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let me clarify since you seem a little to dense to understand my post. If a company in the poker or gambling world does business with them, or if any company hires them based on their personality or poker resume I will not be patronizing them.

I'm not boycotting grocery stores FTP pros shop at or tv shows they watch. I assumed that everyone in this thread would understand my statement and the sentiment behind it, but you've shown me not to overestimate based on the posts and responses of the majority.

The WSOP let people like Doyle,Chip , and Slim play and they have ****ed people out of more money combined than Full Tilt has. I guess anybody that has filed bankruptcy or owes any other bill should be excluded too? There is no chance WSOP would do anything like lol.

I've never been an internet player for the fact that it can never be a controlled environment like a poker room. You guys that had all this money in these online accounts with no type of insurance on it and no regulation from our government were pretty much fools IMO. All good things that are too good to be true come to an end. It's like leaving your keys in your car and being butt hurt that somebody stole it.

No it is not right . Players that owe money to FTP does not affect you. Its between FTP and the players. Its not like they are defaulting on a loan.

Not all the shareholders are to blame for what happened. Dividend payments made to shareholders who did not have a say or did not know what was going on are not to blame. No, they should not be exepcted to pay the money back. There are legal means to recoup these dividend payments. You can go after the assets of those that made the decsion.

You have the right idea, but you are going after the wrong people

You significantly overestimate the number of people who would participate in something like this - most of the people who would agree ("**** YEAH WE'LL TELL THEM OFF!") would slink away too embarrassed to say anything IRL.

And if a rich pro complained about randoms stalking him they would absolutely make sure a rent-a-cop was nearby to nab the next few who said something, and then it would be over.

The sentiment here is valid, but I haven't seen an idea yet ITT that a) makes sense and b) would actually impact anything.

"I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event

give me some credit. I get that not everyone is to blame. And people who fail to pay back their dividends or loans could get off of my boycott list depending on their actions and statements. But without saying a word I'm going to assume that someone that accepted millions of dollars of ill gotten gains with no remorse and no desire to make players right is a thief and scum. Just because I don't have a legal recourse (and we actually might via clawbacks) doesn't mean I can't accuse these guys of being ethically bankrupt.

A shareholder is an owner, even if they were unaware they were part of the corrupt structure that defraud thousands of players of millions of dollars. If they now realize the error of their ways and they are willing to do what they can to make amends I would obviously forgive them. For example guys like Dwan, potentially Juanda, and maybe Greenstein have all taken steps suggesting that they want to make right on their debt and repay players. Those guys if they follow through on their promises would not be one of the people I'm attempting to paint with the scarlet letter.

This isn't a movement that I believe will necessarily get any stolen money back in the hand of FTP players (although that would obviously be a great result). I do however expect to black list all of these thieves from this community and the larger gambling world. I want their indiscretions to be the first entry on their wikipedia page and the first thing that comes to mind when they are discussed. I don't ever want to see them on TV playing poker, repping some online site, or pushing DVDs or books. I want their names and nicknames to have the same connotation in our world that Madoff and Ponzi have in the financial world.

If you don't agree with that by all means don't join in here. But if you are even participating in this discussion with me I'm accomplishing my goals. The more people discuss this the more attention it gets the more likely we succeed in besmirching these people's reputation and weeding them out from the world of poker and gambling.

Lawyer here. Just want to chime in and mention that a letter of "intent to pay", as currently written, means nothing and is not any kind of binding contract that is legally enforceable, or usable for legal leverage.



Also, lol at this idea. That is like saying, he guys, let's boycott the Deli where those bad guys who screwed us hang out and are not employed.

What happens when they walk across the street to a different deli? Money is money.

/notsigned

" I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

Thanks for the funny pics, but I think my points are still valid. If you can show otherwise then let's see a written response. You seriously think HL and CF will be playing poker in public anytime soon? Let alone at the WSOP.

All these jokers signing the pledge are also the players that will be back playing on FT day one if it were to start back up. LOL at "I miss FT", "New owners mean it's OK" and "Let's boycott the WSOP for having FT associates" threads.

Guess what.....I didn't loose a penny on Black Friday because I got my money off 6 months prior when it was obvious a shut down was coming. There was no way you could know if you would get your money or not if they were to be shut down so leaving money on there was -EV. The fact that they were crooks who ran with the money didn't surprise me at all. I never trusted the company or other players for a minute and only played with money I could afford to loose.

How many US players just moved to Everleaf and know are POd they may run with your money. You have only yourself to blame.

Yes, but the other deli makes crappy sandwiches (WSOP is way more prestigious and valuable than any other tourney).

While it won't be the end of the world for these guys not to play the WSOP, and unbacked by poker websites it may save these guys money (the bad ones at least), it would piss them off and encourage them to clear these debts.

What about the phatom depositers, are you going to encourage them to clear their debts? All it takes is a cheque in the mail.

So if the good deli doesn't ban Matusow, Ivey et al. you'll go eat a crappy sandwhich...? Man, you'll sure show them.

Seriosuly doubt anyone who intends to play who has "signed" the petition will actually boycott the WSOP when nothing comes from this.

FYP

Do you think if nothing has happened within a year, that means nothing will ever happen? Ever think it might be wise of them to see if the Groupe Bernard Tapie deal goes through first?

Well then, according to your logic, if you're looking for a 2nd group of individuals to prey upon, look no further than those who inhabit American biker gangs.

Exactly this.

I hearby state that this is the stupidest thread in quite some time. I will not read another thread posted by OP unless there is a thread posting training seminar held for this guy. Lock it up.

While I commend your reasoning, your approach is misguided and probably against gaming laws for them to do so for that reason alone.

And, if you are going to sign this at least verify your participation in past events. Not nearly enough WSOP attendees even visit these forums on a regular basis to make this petition mean anything.

While I don't think the petition is a bad idea. Why let Annie Duke and Phil Hellmuth (former UB OWNERS) off the hook while UB players arent paid ?

Will sign when they are added to petition.

"Whether they knew at the time that the dividends they received were stolen from players pockets or not is irrelevant, the moment it became clear that the money they were given was stolen each and every one of them should have come forward and offered to repay every cent they still have in their possession."

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lets say:
You make a bet with a bookie on the superbowl, you get your $$. you later findout that the $$ came from a dying 90 yr old lady who was robbed while she was dying. If bookie didnt rob her, he'd have no $$ to pay you! would you give the $$ back to the lady because she "should get it" cuz its"her $$$"????????????? answer honestly

these ftp guys just worked for a faulty company, they represented them so what, its not like they were aware of the inner workings, they put in work/hours/they wore the patches, they earned what they got, who cares how they got the $$$ or where it came from, THEY earned it.