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04-08-2013 , 02:42 AM

SkyRocket

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http://www.pnn.dk/artikler/zupp-her-er-sandheden/

Cliffs:
- Gulkines did indeed play on Zupp's account in the 800,000 loss for Blom.
- Gulkines proceeded to lose 300,000 to other players.
- Zupp and Gulkines were forced to pay back the full amount to Blom.
- Zupp does not believe he actually cheated Blom, since he would play anyone regardless, it was just more a more convenient way to get money on the site.

Discuss.

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04-08-2013 , 02:52 AM

BradleyT

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If Blom wins do they get their money back also?

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04-08-2013 , 02:55 AM

Brilliant27

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Wow, brutal the amount of scumbags in the poker world

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04-08-2013 , 03:10 AM

Christ, De 'Berg!

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the more time passes, the more SwedishFlower is proven to be true (other than being a month off on Viktor's birthdate)

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04-08-2013 , 03:11 AM

JPE23

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Originally Posted by Christ, De 'Berg!

the more time passes, the more SwedishFlower is proven to be true (other than being a month off on Viktor's birthdate)

What did he/she say?

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04-08-2013 , 03:42 AM

Lik

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Originally Posted by BradleyT

If Blom wins do they get their money back also?

No (unless he was involved in deception).

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04-08-2013 , 03:47 AM

Kralex

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Those amounts are a bit misleading. They're in SEK.

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04-08-2013 , 03:51 AM

SkyRocket

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Originally Posted by Kralex

Those amounts are a bit misleading. They're in SEK.

No, the amounts are good old American dollars.

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04-08-2013 , 04:02 AM

Christ, De 'Berg!

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I reworded the Google Translation into much more readable English. A very interesting read, including Zupp claiming that multi-accounting was very very common at the time:

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HighstakesDB.com has begun recounting Viktor Blom's journey towards becoming the legend known as Isildur1. The series is titled "The Making of Isildur1".

In the first 3 episodes, the story is told through Viktor Blom's narrative. In the fourth section, the story is recounted by several writers from svenskaspelare.com, the originators of the series. In other words, the story is no longer in the words of Viktor Blom, but now is instead told from secondhand stories, along with rumors and gossip. The story no longer features direct quotes.

The fourth chapter of "The Making of Isildur1" contains serious allegations against Peter "Zupp" Jensen.

The essence of the accusations is that "Zupp" and Swedish poker player Robert "Gulkines" Flink cheated Isildur1 out of $800,000. They allegedly did so through so-called "multi-accounting", as "Zupp" allowed "Gulkines" to use his account.

You can read the allegations here (link to HSDB article: http://www.highstakesdb.com/3746-the...ktor-blom.aspx)

ZUPP'S VERSION OF THE STORY

Peter "Zupp" Jensen has now given PNN.dk his version of the story, and what Zupp has told suggests that the legend of Isildur1 should be rewritten. The "official" story is that Zupp and Gulkines' multiaccounting left Isildur1 nearly broke. The story says that Blom had to start from scratch after the multiaccounting scandal and build his bankroll back up. Zupp tells a completely different story - but we will return to this.

First, Zupp responds to allegations of multiaccounting:

"I have always previously refused to acknowledge to any media that I gave my account to Gulkines, but now it is time for me to tell the truth. Yes, I let Gulkines borrow my account. And yes, we won about $800,000 from Blom," says Zupp.

He further explains:

"Gulkines had played Blom on iPoker previously and lost his entire iPoker roll to Viktor. Gulkines believed that he could beat Viktor, but wasn't able to deposit enough money into his own account to be adequately bankrolled to face him. He contacted me to ask if I had any money on iPoker. I had about $150,000 on there at the time, and because I was very confident in Gulkines' abilities as a player, I gave him my account without a second thought. I had a percentage of Gulkines' action, so I inherited some of the risk of the agreement."

I HAVE NEVER PLAYED BLOM

In the fourth chapter of The Making of Isildur1, the narrator claims that Blom later found out that he had actually won $250,000 when playing against Zupp, but lost $800,000 to Gulkines. Zupp states that this is false.

"I never played against Blom. It was only ever Gulkines," says Zupp.

Zupp confirms that Gulkines won about $800,000 from Blom.

"The match was back and forth, but eventually he ended up winning about $800,000 and Viktor was broke. So then there was $950,000 in my account, and we were both obviously every excited," says Zupp. He then responds to a sentence in the fourth chapter of The Making of Isildur1 that doesn't put him in the best light.

The sentence reads:

"It bothered Viktor a lot that Zupp talked to newspapers and on poker forums about how big of a fish Blom was."

Zupp responds:

"It was a very prominent win - many people noticed it, and wanted to talk to me about it. I could not just say that it wasn't me, so I went along with it, idiot that I am. However, I remember that when I got up the next day and read the news on the internet, my jaw dropped. I had been very misinterpreted, and everything was smeared on thickly, because that's how headlines sell. I remember that I called reporters to ask them to limit the sensationalism."

REWRITING THE LEGEND OF ISILDUR1

Let us return to why the story of Isildur1 needs to be rewritten. According to Zupp, Blom never had to "start over". Nothing of the sort.

"I was contacted by Bet365. They came to me and said that they had evidence that it was not me playing on my account against Blom. I admitted it, and explained to them that my Swedish friend had lost his own bankroll and was desparate to continue playing. What happened next, I believe has never happened before or since."

Zupp continues: "Bet365 returned to me with a decision. They decided that I had to pay Blom back all $800,000. Gulkines had meanwhile continued playing on the account and lost $300,000. This meant that there was now only $650,000 in the account instead of $950,000 as had been the case right after the match vs Blom. Bet365 insisted that I deposit $150,000 so that they could transfer the full $800,000 to Blom. If I did not agree, then they said they would drag me to court and make sure that I never played online poker again... anywhere!"

Zupp then delivers his conclusion: "The truth is that Blom got EVERY penny back. It must have been crazy to wake up one morning and find out that all the money you'd lost had come straight back. It's something you dream about happening after a big loss. It must have been like winning the lottery! After all, he was on a freeroll while Gulkines and I ended up losing $300,000. It's a little ****ed up. Listen, Blom played against everyone - EVERYONE! He multitabled against 2, 3, sometimes 4 different people at the same time. Anyone, any time, multiple tables. He knew nothing about who I was or how I played. We had never played before. He lost the match vs Gulkines, and I would describe it as "fair and square". It was nothing to do with hand histories and a past dynamic versus me - no way. I am completely convinced that Viktor knew that he could be playing against anyone, and was completely and utterly indifferent to the fact. There was no intent to cheat in the action of my lending my account to Gulkines - it was only a matter of getting money on the site quickly. It was commonplace at the time that you could ask in chat who you were playing against and receive an answer. Borrowed accounts were that common."

HIGH STAKES PLAYERS SHARED ACCOUNTS

Zupp believes that he has a plausible explanation as to why Blom has never commented on the multi-accounting scandal.

"I don't know if he's embarassed about it - no, that's not the right word - but I can guarantee that he almost couldn't believe his eyes when he read that the money would be repaid," says Zupp, who almost couldn't bear to read about the scandal again.

"It pisses me off that I should read this f***ing bull**** that he was cheated and had to rebuild his bankroll again. He got every penny back, which he probably shouldn't have. It's pretty sick. I was on tilt about this for four years, and I'm still a little tilted over it. It's a slap in the face. Gulkines, who was a world class player, suffered mentally and financially because of this issue, and he was also tilted for four years about it," says Zupp, who has one last point:

"Today I wouldn't lend my account, not only because of this event, but also because today online poker is completely different. At the time, most - if not all - high stakes players multi-accounted. The swings were huge, and pretty much no one had enough money on one site to withstand the variance. Also, it was often very difficult to move the large sums of money due to ridiculously low deposit limits and problems with eWallets. The Americans had it a little easier because FTP and Stars allowed very large transfers between accounts, but us Europeans didn't have a lot of choice on iPoker, Party etc. because here the transfers were more regulated."

Zupp elaborates: "It was generally known that several prominent high stakes players shared accounts or even had shared bankrolls. I never considered it cheating, and I know that many pros agreed, but it's just not something you went around talking about. The problem is that there's a thin line between right and wrong, and it's very difficult to distinguish between the two, especially when talking to the media. People hear about "multi-accounting" and they automatically think of people playing multiple accounts at the same cash game table or two people sharing information over Skype or MSN. There have also been many examples of people using multiple VPN connections to play the same tournament with 10 different accounts. There are people who have shared hand history databases which allows them to have much better statistical analyses of specific opponents. I think this is a much bigger problem. There's a huge difference between what Gulkines and I did, versus the case of four professional players, who shared several million hands in a common database and took turns playing against the same man, being able to analytically decipher everything he did. It's very difficult to distinguish between all these different examples if you just simply call it all 'multi-accounting'."

"I can without a doubt in my mind say that Gulkines in no way got an unfair advantage by playing on my account. If anything, he was probably at a marginal disadvantage against Blom, who later became the world's best NLHE player. And for those who think it was cheating, I can say that I certainly paid the price for my actions", says Zupp.

Last edited by Christ, De 'Berg!; 04-08-2013 at 04:14 AM.

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04-08-2013 , 06:27 AM

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NerdSuperfly

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Originally Posted by Christ, De 'Berg!

I reworded the Google Translation into much more readable English. A very interesting read, including Zupp claiming that multi-accounting was very very common at the time:

thank you!

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04-08-2013 , 07:16 AM

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lowroller89

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Posted by zupp minutes ago on pokernet.dk

Translated from danish:

@ All

I've obviously proof of having paid the $ 800,000 to bet365. Could publish the final decision from bet365 or correspondence with lawyers, etc, but I can not quite see why. I dont think Blom will deny that he got the money back.

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04-08-2013 , 07:46 AM

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4BetBoke

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Originally Posted by Christ, De 'Berg!

I reworded the Google Translation into much more readable English. A very interesting read, including Zupp claiming that multi-accounting was very very common at the time:

Thanks very much for taking the time to do that, you done an absolutely excellent job on that!

Last edited by 4BetBoke; 04-08-2013 at 07:51 AM.

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04-08-2013 , 08:24 AM

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worpler

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where has flink been the last few years? I remember him as a crypto lagtard years ago....

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04-08-2013 , 10:23 AM

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sunino

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We translated the article:

http://www.pnn.dk/artikler/zupp-isil...ry-penny-back/

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04-08-2013 , 10:24 AM

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Divided By Zero

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Originally Posted by worpler

where has flink been the last few years?

confirmed by the article on 4 years of life tilt

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04-08-2013 , 10:54 AM

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EGarrett

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Originally Posted by Christ, De 'Berg!

"Gulkines, who was a world class player, suffered mentally and financially because of this issue, and he was also tilted for four years about it."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRa9uhiAPBs&t=20s

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04-08-2013 , 01:39 PM

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leconnaisseur

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I don't see how they could've take him in court if he refused to pay it back.

Does the civil/penal code have an article on multi accounting?

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04-08-2013 , 01:47 PM

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franxic

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^^ he agreed to the terms of service and broke them. if the tos do not contradict any laws i think they are enforcable, but ianal.

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04-08-2013 , 01:49 PM

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moistpanties

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Originally Posted by Divided By Zero

confirmed by the article on 4 years of life tilt

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04-08-2013 , 02:17 PM

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worpler

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karma ITT - flink the fink - shame, he used to be great to rail on crypto sites back when dinosaurs roamed the earth...Didn't he bust bluescouse???

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04-08-2013 , 05:24 PM

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Christ, De 'Berg!

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Originally Posted by sunino

We translated the article:

http://www.pnn.dk/artikler/zupp-isil...ry-penny-back/

haha I wish I'd known you guys already did that, there goes an hour of my life down the drain

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04-09-2013 , 09:50 AM

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niceguywow

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Originally Posted by sunino

We translated the article:

http://www.pnn.dk/artikler/zupp-isil...ry-penny-back/

Thank you sir I enjoyed it

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04-09-2013 , 10:10 AM

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iskander

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Originally Posted by JPE23

What did he/she say?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1250

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04-09-2013 , 10:21 AM

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moki

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Originally Posted by Brilliant27

Wow, brutal the amount of scumbags in the poker world

Given that Blom has been called out for playing on other people's accounts by Durrrr and Ike, I don't think he has a whole lot to complain about.

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04-09-2013 , 10:24 AM

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Bond777

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So martonas was Blom

PS moki why the hate for Viktor so much?

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