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08-10-2009 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by savant111
Sorry...I made that post at 3am. In my second statement I meant to write that individuals across the autism spectrum SMILE regularly, though not always at the appropriate time. It was in response to the last paragragh in your first post where you wrote:

"Suggesting Peter Eastgate as mildly autistic is interesting. It can explain his rather stoic response when he won the ME as well as his usual demeanor at the table. However, if I'm not mistaken, I did see him crack a smile or two during the NBC heads up. If he is autistic, I would like to know what his personal challenges have been throughout his life, and how he has learned how to cope with them."

In the interest of full disclosure I'd like to point out that I'm a behavior analyst. But also I'm much more interested in autism intervention, and if there was a better method I would learn that instead.

The fact is that ABA techniques are FAR more effective in producing change than all other therapies combined. This is true for individuals with autism who have BOTH high and low skill repertoires. These are not just wild claims. There is a great deal of evidence supporting these statements in the scientific literature.

I'm not saying things like speech, ot, and pt, can't be helpful, just that in general they are usually of much more mild benefit (with exceptions of course).
I thank you for the clarfication. You are right. There are individuals across the spectrum that do smile regularly. However, there are some inviduals on the spectrum that have a very low affect, and show little to no emotion through facial and bodily gestures.

"The fact is that ABA techniques are FAR more effective in producing change than all other therapies combined."

I now understand your support for ABA and respect your profession. However, I have a problem with the word change here. It's too vague. I completely understand that treatment planning is specific and based on the needs of the individual. But, what "change" are we looking for? I do not doubt the research supporting the efficacy of ABA in treating individuals with autism. However, although I am not a behavioral therapist, I feel ABA is a bit too narrow and rigid.

IMHO "Sensory Integration" is often misunderstood and undervalued when treating individuals with autism. As there are always exceptions, not all individuals with autism will benefit from SI treatment, as they may not have a sensory processing disorder. I will highlight some points of the SI theory.

Sensory Integration Perspective/Theory:

In my own words, occupational thearpists and other professionals, use a SI approach for children who appear to have an sensory processing disorder (SPD). Basically, sensory processing disorders manifests itself either as a modulation, or praxis/motor planning, problem.

1) Modulation: children who are either over responsive or under responsive to sensory input (e.g. a kid might become very agitated to light stroking provided by their care taker/or a child who constantly leans on others, has no sense of personal space-basically poor body awareness-where you might be able to predict that this child will have difficulty maintaining and sustaining social relationships).

2) Praxis: these children really have a hard time with either ideation (have a hard time coming with ideas), or sequencing steps (following essential sequential steps in order to achieve a goal). Many of these children may just stand there, and need to be told what to do step by step. Or, the child may have an abundance of ideas, but might not have the organizational skills to achieve/execute their goal.

Beyond the basic senses (i.e. vision, hearing, taste, olfactory), SI theory highlights the sensory processing of proprioceptive system (information given from our muscles and joints), the vestibular system (gives us our sense of our body in relation to time/space), and the tactile system (touch).

A therapist with SI training can help identify and develop a treatment plan to help remediate the underlying issues of functional outcomes such as 1) attending, and completing and activity (self regulation, organization of behavior) 2) fine motor skills: writing, scissoring, tool use, 3) self care skills: grooming, dressing, feeding, 4) social emotional development: communication, development a sense of self, relationship building skills. A therapist with SI training will carefully activiate or inhibit sensory systems during treatment, to promote learning.
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Everybody has sensory needs and issues. Here are some common SI issues that you might able to relate to:

1) What, How, and When do you provide yourself with sensory input, to help you focus more? For example, when you get tired at work, you might: 1) chew gum (oral input), 2) take a walk around (activation of vestibular, and prop system), 3) play with a sticky texture like tape, or fiddle with your keys (tactile input), 4) play some music (auditory)

You already have a developed sensory system, and have learned strategies to help yourself get in the optimal state of focus to learn and to carry out various work responsibilities. A child who has sensory processsing difficulties may benefit from a "sensory diet": a list of identified activities that help him/her focus, and attend during learning opportunities, and throughout various daily occupations.

2) What sensory input throws and disrupts you? Do you get annoyed by: 1) loud noises, a crying baby, a buzz that doesn't seem to go away, 2) visual distractions such as flashing lights, moving objects, 3) touch such as wool, vinyl, grainy, semi-wet textures 4) going on roller coasters, skydiving, pushing 100 mphs on the high way?

Some of these examples listed may be extreme. But, a child who has a modulation difficulty may react negatively to the same, seemingly harmless, input from someone who has a normal, intact sensory system.
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There are many clinical applications of SI. It is too complex and detailed for me to get into here. If you are interested in SI, I highly recommend the writings of Dr. A. Jean Ayres, PhD, OTR, FAOTA. She has a background in occupational therapy, and psychology. Unfortunately she passed on many years ago due to cancer. However, there are many dedicated researchers, who continue to work in refining her theory and the clinical applications of Sensory Integration.
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08-10-2009 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by crowdrocka

I apologize for this rant. I just find it personally disheartening when people jest about others with mental and social disorders.

THIS^^
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08-10-2009 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by crowdrocka
I thank you for the clarfication. You are right. There are individuals across the spectrum that do smile regularly. However, there are some inviduals on the spectrum that have a very low affect, and show little to no emotion through facial and bodily gestures.

"The fact is that ABA techniques are FAR more effective in producing change than all other therapies combined."

I now understand your support for ABA and respect your profession. However, I have a problem with the word change here. It's too vague. I completely understand that treatment planning is specific and based on the needs of the individual. But, what "change" are we looking for? I do not doubt the research supporting the efficacy of ABA in treating individuals with autism. However, although I am not a behavioral therapist, I feel ABA is a bit too narrow and rigid.

IMHO "Sensory Integration" is often misunderstood and undervalued when treating individuals with autism. As there are always exceptions, not all individuals with autism will benefit from SI treatment, as they may not have a sensory processing disorder. I will highlight some points of the SI theory.

Sensory Integration Perspective/Theory:

In my own words, occupational thearpists and other professionals, use a SI approach for children who appear to have an sensory processing disorder (SPD). Basically, sensory processing disorders manifests itself either as a modulation, or praxis/motor planning, problem.

1) Modulation: children who are either over responsive or under responsive to sensory input (e.g. a kid might become very agitated to light stroking provided by their care taker/or a child who constantly leans on others, has no sense of personal space-basically poor body awareness-where you might be able to predict that this child will have difficulty maintaining and sustaining social relationships).

2) Praxis: these children really have a hard time with either ideation (have a hard time coming with ideas), or sequencing steps (following essential sequential steps in order to achieve a goal). Many of these children may just stand there, and need to be told what to do step by step. Or, the child may have an abundance of ideas, but might not have the organizational skills to achieve/execute their goal.

Beyond the basic senses (i.e. vision, hearing, taste, olfactory), SI theory highlights the sensory processing of proprioceptive system (information given from our muscles and joints), the vestibular system (gives us our sense of our body in relation to time/space), and the tactile system (touch).

A therapist with SI training can help identify and develop a treatment plan to help remediate the underlying issues of functional outcomes such as 1) attending, and completing and activity (self regulation, organization of behavior) 2) fine motor skills: writing, scissoring, tool use, 3) self care skills: grooming, dressing, feeding, 4) social emotional development: communication, development a sense of self, relationship building skills. A therapist with SI training will carefully activiate or inhibit sensory systems during treatment, to promote learning.
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Everybody has sensory needs and issues. Here are some common SI issues that you might able to relate to:

1) What, How, and When do you provide yourself with sensory input, to help you focus more? For example, when you get tired at work, you might: 1) chew gum (oral input), 2) take a walk around (activation of vestibular, and prop system), 3) play with a sticky texture like tape, or fiddle with your keys (tactile input), 4) play some music (auditory)

You already have a developed sensory system, and have learned strategies to help yourself get in the optimal state of focus to learn and to carry out various work responsibilities. A child who has sensory processsing difficulties may benefit from a "sensory diet": a list of identified activities that help him/her focus, and attend during learning opportunities, and throughout various daily occupations.

2) What sensory input throws and disrupts you? Do you get annoyed by: 1) loud noises, a crying baby, a buzz that doesn't seem to go away, 2) visual distractions such as flashing lights, moving objects, 3) touch such as wool, vinyl, grainy, semi-wet textures 4) going on roller coasters, skydiving, pushing 100 mphs on the high way?

Some of these examples listed may be extreme. But, a child who has a modulation difficulty may react negatively to the same, seemingly harmless, input from someone who has a normal, intact sensory system.
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There are many clinical applications of SI. It is too complex and detailed for me to get into here. If you are interested in SI, I highly recommend the writings of Dr. A. Jean Ayres, PhD, OTR, FAOTA. She has a background in occupational therapy, and psychology. Unfortunately she passed on many years ago due to cancer. However, there are many dedicated researchers, who continue to work in refining her theory and the clinical applications of Sensory Integration.
Interesting stuff.

I think you might have a misunderstanding of what ABA is and how it is practiced. There is a lot of bad ABA going on out there. There are a ton of garbage clinicians that contributes very little other than to hurt it's reputation. I know here in Jersey there are many great schools that have visitors days where guests are given a tour of the program and shown how ABA practices should be conducted.
If your ever in the New Jersey/New York are I'd be happy to give you a list of recommendations.

I was intentionally vauge with "change" because ABA encompassess such a wide range of behaviors. By change I mean teaching a learner, to ride a bike, play a video game, read, make a chicken parm sandwich, clean their room, wash the dishes, saying "I love you" to mom, playing appropriately w peers/siblings, sit through church or a siblings graduation, run on a tredmill, or have a conversation.

By "change" I also meant decreasing problem behaivors such as tanturming, aggressing, towards self or others, decreasing sterotypic responses, non-contextual laughter, non-compliance with parental instruction, or bolting out the house.

There are literally hundreds of articles confirming it's effectiveness at all these behaviors in the scientific literature. So i'm not sure how you can say it's "narrow and rigid". To put it in poker terms (we are on 2+2 after all), ABA is by far the most +ev intervention method in terms of change, time, and money compared to alternative options. DUCY

Here is where I agree with you:

Autism at it's core is definately a disorder of the how the brain processes what it's senses. ABA doesn't address the core problem and that is why we are in desperate need of a better intervention method.

I also agree that SI techniques can be effective at temporarily activating or surpressing sesory systems.

Here is where we differ:

I've worked with well over a hundred individuals with autism and PDD-NOS, many of whom recieved regular "sensory diet" packages. Not one of them has ever displayed a sigificant decrease in stereotopy (which are repetitive or ritual movements for anyone reading this) or increased attending as a result. The worst of which is the tactile stuff such as the weighted vest or that wierd cusion seat with the bumps on it. These tools do nothing but add stigma to an individual whose life is already filled with too much.

Sensory Intergration techniques combined with ABA:

I've seen some speech pathologists. do some pretty cool things with SI. They use SI techniques to "warm up" the learners mouth and vocal area before starting a speech session. The qualitative improvements in articulation, motor movements in the mouth, and reduction in facial tensing are quite remarkable. The problem is that the effects wear off in about 15 minutes (not exactly a socially significant change).

In my original reply you might recall my claim that alternative therapies MUST be used as a compliment to ABA intervention to be effective. I firmly believe this because the functional outcomes you mentioned above are simply not likely using the strategies you listed in your original reply. It's the poker equivalent of calling a gut shot with 10bb left and 10bb in the pot.

That all said I'm very interested in learning about things related to sensation and perception. What of Dr. Ayres writings do you find most relevant? I'd also like to read the clinical applications related to autism that you wrote about. If you can post a link too that would be helpful.

Thanks for the response crowdrocka, and an advanced apology to anyone who read this and found it dreadfully boring . Also, if anyone has any questions, I'll be happy to answer them the best I can.

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08-10-2009 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Crockett616
Ummmm.... this is NVG... what do you expect?
It's so funny that you posted this in response to

" Originally Posted by TS Clark
After reading this thread, I am shaking my head over the sheer number of misconceptions that many of the posters have about autism and related conditions. As the father of a seven year old son with autism, it's just a bit disheartening to see what he's up against as far as some people's perceptions go."

Because you're the type of poster that is being referenced by posting:

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Originally Posted by Crockett616
"wtf??? I know theres a lot of bs on nvg but who the f would make a thread over something like this. Somebody lock this please. Some decensy (dunno how to spell that) please."
Implying that it's indecent to talk about somebody being autistic as if it shouldn't be talked about and/or because they are or should be ashamed of it.
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10-14-2009 , 12:12 AM
watching ESPN now, was actually wondering is Eastgate was Autistic
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10-14-2009 , 12:17 AM
Not a professional and not sure if you can diagnose something with what limited info we have, actually I'm pretty sure it can't be done with any certainty.

With that said, from what I have seen and in my limited experience with autism (aspergers) It would be my opinion that he probably has a form of aspergers.
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10-14-2009 , 11:36 AM
can't believe I'm the first to mention the worlds greatest autistic poker player, Tony BigCharles.
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10-14-2009 , 11:47 AM
in Kazakhstan autistic people are forced to where blue hats
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10-14-2009 , 12:21 PM
I don't know what everyone is talking about. He seems to play a pretty straightforward style, so saying that his play is artistic is a bit of a stretch. I would say that Peter Eastgate is bipolar, because the world is bipolar, and he is the world champion.
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10-14-2009 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rbracco
I can count down a 6 deck shoe and tell you which card is missing, you don't have to be a genius, just good at math. Hint: It doesn't actually mean memorizing each card you come across although I'm sure there are savants that can do that.
I can only do this by memorizing each card, only tried it with one deck though. Could possibly do it with 2. I'm good at visually memorizing but suck at math.
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10-14-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Percussion
I don't know what everyone is talking about. He seems to play a pretty straightforward style, so saying that his play is artistic is a bit of a stretch. I would say that Peter Eastgate is bipolar, because the world is bipolar, and he is the world champion.
i dont think anyone is saying he plays like he is autistic, its more of the way he acts, the blank stare, the way he throws around chips, the way he talks/acts all seem to display symptoms of autism
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10-14-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltd_Pro
threadsaver
LMFAO 4 real

[regarding pic of Eastgate]
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10-14-2009 , 01:03 PM
I think somone who has austim would struggle as as pooker pro.

That being said I am someone who have Aspergus synondre which is a much higher functioning form.

I do not know that that eastgate has Aspergers but I do not that a lot Aseprgers does get missed disagoinzed as bi-polar. Im not saying he has it or not, just wanted to chime in.
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10-14-2009 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by broastedromo
LOL

Ferguson didn't invent it. Any serious blackjack player knows that these sorts of counts have been around for at least 30 years. And that's just in print. Probably invented way before that. I'll bet Thorp knew this count back in the 50s.
Why would a blackjack player be at all concearned with remembering the suits? That is completely irrelevant when counting in blackjack. Somebody please fill me in as to why this would make even the slightest bit of sense.

For those of you saying, "lock this thread" etc, what the hell do you come on these boards for. This has been an interesting topic that certainly fits in the parameters of News Views and Gossip. It has had the weighing in of apparent experts in the field. It has helped to educate many people about what appears to be a growing problem. To me this is the best of 2+2 and for those of you that question that, I wonder what exactly you are here for.
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10-14-2009 , 01:49 PM
No autism. He just had teh danish.
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10-14-2009 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by makin maneys
Why would a blackjack player be at all concearned with remembering the suits? That is completely irrelevant when counting in blackjack. Somebody please fill me in as to why this would make even the slightest bit of sense.

For those of you saying, "lock this thread" etc, what the hell do you come on these boards for. This has been an interesting topic that certainly fits in the parameters of News Views and Gossip. It has had the weighing in of apparent experts in the field. It has helped to educate many people about what appears to be a growing problem. To me this is the best of 2+2 and for those of you that question that, I wonder what exactly you are here for.
The discussion came about because people were talking about how Stu Unger could count down 6 decks of cards. Stu was a Gin player, suits are important in gin.
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10-14-2009 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nofx Fan
The discussion came about because people were talking about how Stu Unger could count down 6 decks of cards. Stu was a Gin player, suits are important in gin.
Yes, I am aware of gin and where this discussion came from. My point in the original quote that I quoted was that he implied that this count has been around for blackjack for 30 years and that seems to me to be incorrect. There is no reason to complicate a BJ count with concearns over suits.

Anyway, not trying to derail this thread.

Carry on
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10-14-2009 , 06:45 PM
*grunch*

seems pretty normal to me....
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10-14-2009 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Don't you only need two counts? One for the number. Then assign the suits numbers 1-4 and do a count for them. Unless I'm missing something this seems easy.
You don't even need to do the full count, mod arithmetic would suffice. That also makes this game with 6 decks as easy as with 1 deck, although with more decks there is more likelihood of making a mistake somewhere and throwing the count off.

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10-14-2009 , 08:23 PM
He's pretty artistic.

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10-14-2009 , 09:38 PM
i have yet to seen anything that suggests Peter is an atheist. you guys need to find better gossip than this
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10-14-2009 , 10:31 PM
originally posted by Nortifortat in LOL

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10-14-2009 , 11:12 PM
I've recently learned that Tony BigCharles and Peter Eastgate have actually met IRL.
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10-14-2009 , 11:26 PM
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