I was thinking the same thing when I didn't see any articles on "the case of the year" imo. Pathetic..

We have taken additional steps hoping to affect positive change with SSL and Security in a more timely manner. And I have updated all of my customers on the concerns moving forward. Hopefully between a few of us and the public outcry this can be expedited.

If you cannot give proof that more than a very small percentage of casual players read these sources then you are as lacking in integrity as the sources you are attacking.

That's obviously not true, but whatever. Here you go: http://websiteoutlook.com/www.pokernews.com

There's only one response to this.

reminds me of the mainstream media and how it basically never reports anything negative about the current administration. (flame on clueless kiddos)

it is not obvious at all.

I take this to mean you don't care about any opinion but yours.


They get about 10, 000 visitors per day, if I read that right. There are a lot more than 10, 000 regulars playing poker. If you add up all the training sites you'd have more than 30, 000 members at least. Which means ( and this confirms my own anecdotal evidence) that casual players care very little about anything else except actually playing poker.

Good journalism gets its facts straight. You have not done this. You are the wrong person to be attacking poker journalism. You make them look good.

You read it wrong.

Also, I'm not a journalist. I'm a guy posting my opinion on a poker forum.

The target audience of most poker magazines and news sites is males aged 18-30 both casual players and winning regulars. And losing regulars, presumably.

Journalistic censorship and the influence of public relations regularly sees incidents like the above repeated in all areas of the printed and online press industry. Nick Davies describes PR’s influence over the press as not being “outright falsehood” but instead a distortion of information; a “gentler, albeit equally destructive art... the judicious selection of truths and... very skilful manipulation... to focus only on those chosen angles.” The news still gets reported; albeit from a bias angle chosen to please advertisers and affiliates and thus increase revenue.

As nice as it would be if poker news - and news in general - were to deliver 100% accurate news that is in the public interest it doesn't happen because the priority of these businesses is like any other - to make money. Pissing off CEREUS by printing the truth will only lose advertising revenue.

I don't disagree with OP at all but that's the way the world is.

Yeah, lol at the dude applying journalistic integrity to forum posts.

Not saying that you are right but I also don't think many of the poker blogs or news sites consider themselves journalists. I know I certainly don't. I write about things that are interesting to me because it is easiest to have a take. It would surprise me if the people creating content on Cardplayer consider themselves journalists.

If they do there are many examples of places and actual journalists that take a wait and see approach. One of the most widely read Tech Journalist is a guy by the name of David Pogue. Tech journalists hate him because he rarely covers new ground but his wait and see approach allows for his take to be better understood by a wider audience and therefore he is widely read.

Once again if just being controversial and open were the ticket to great success then I am relatively certain there would be many sites doing well because 2 or 3 days after the scandal when I googled it there were 30-40 on point articles by smaller blogs.

A business exists to find a niche and embrace that sweet spot. Sometimes you get lucky and the business you want is the business you have. Other times the business you want doesn't make money, so you compromise to pay the bills (that doesn't mean you sell out and become evil, obviously everything exists in degrees). It's very easy for people to sit and judgment of something like that who have not been in that situation but that is just reality.

The thing I find funniest about this thread is the people wanting some crusader to hold up the "integrity" of poker. Poker history at its core is filled with cheats and deceptions. Both live and online poker is filled with risks of cheaters. The fact that the online sites make an attempt to prevent the cheating is something to be said for the "corporate" mentality of caring for the customers.

2 + 2 is probably the only honest online site with unbiased opinions
cuz they aren't really money motivated.

I beleive we'd like to see the integrity of "news" held up. Integrity of poker players is a lost cause.

Yes and it's funny how many players, particularly live players have their head in the sand about this.

They don't care about the customers, they care about the customers money.