Oh lol, i didn't know that he offered some kind of prize for this stuff.

Ok, need some explanation i guess. First, why Rob and some of you guys keep talking about 'screen grabbers', OCR gives too many errors, its hard to read nicknames, actions, it depends on skin(s) and resolution. Overall its stupid, i've never used OCR in my code and tools.

Screenshot of original video:
https://snag.gy/dPALlT.jpg

as you can see, my tool read FLOP before the client drew it, before dealer message. Read from process memory obv, reverse engineering has been used.

Second, we joke about party security team but lets be honest they aren't that stupid. They can see whats going on and its Game Over, client hacked, realtime hand history with 100% precision (no OCR). HUD is the last problem, realtime hh is the core element of bots and solvers, huds just a bonus. From that point i can see any protection attempts by checking code difference with debugger.

Computer science teach us that we can't rly protect software against reversers (good reading for Rob Yang: Bruce Schneier. Secrets and Lies: Digital Security in a Networked World).

I'd say that probably was me, except we never joined one, in part for that reason, suspicion.. OTOH, we did have a degree of informal cooperation among folks, based on mutual trust ..., verifiable by processor records and hand histories ...

That last point underscores the importance of hand histories in any sincere effort to catch bad guys. Wher I strognly differ with the abolition of access to HH is the foolishness of cutting out player input in a "see something, say something" generation of leads to bad behavior.

Sarcasm ? Cause it is really easy, if it is a genuine screen shot.

Damn, that is a thing of beauty from a programmer's pov

I think you meant “you’re a fish”.

Thats true, and that was one of the main reasons why I only sent screenshots of people using an hud on party after then ban to people in the thread in PM instead of posting them here.

Now, as a guy who ran a poker room, please tell me: are you not cheating your costumers when you tell them they are completely safe and no one else can use HUD´s vs them and then you cant enforce that policy?

If you listen to his interview he says that a reg who uses a HUD vs a "recreational reg" will just destroy him( this is no sense but wtv). If so, how would you feel about people being scammed at your tables cause you thought you could enforce a policy that is impossible to enforce?

Sorry, but I have not and would not listen to his interview unless someone paid me a good hourly rate for my time doing so.

Fair enough

Confiscating the player's money is completely outrageous. Based on the evidence provided in this thread, it appears that the process that PartyPoker has used to do this is obviously both illegal and morally unacceptable.

You can't just take money from someone without giving them a chance to defend themselves.

This organisation is out of control, I don't think they're a safe place to retain a bankroll if they're behaving like this.

Indeed, and also every online poker site should at a minimum provide HH's, it's like going to a store and not getting a receipt or even worse buying food that has no ingredients label on it.

Oh well.

Rob's logic is totally faulty. As you said ocr's accuracy it depends on lots of things, also can be operated with a high grade camera which record the screen, and solver / hud data operates on a totally different pc. But seeing how party wasnt capable of noticing Visual studio I dont think one should make software that complicated.

We talk about huds, not a fully automatized bot so even if they do something against reading of HH's from client, OCR still a viable option and not too much to care about 'noises'. If ocr gives a bot 0.5% where it totally make random decision ( shoving for stacks with ****ty hand or similarly costly mistakes) it can burn away profit, but if your hud has 0.5% error in your data you might as well call that 'noise', which makes the stats slightly tweaked but wont make hud useless.

So did you claim your prize already? How did Rob respond?

Banned me and stole my money

What is Rob's story? That guy cannot possibly be legit right? Looks, talks and acts like the most stereotypical criminal I've ever seen.

tl;dr; We are HM trolls, who launched a daring and despicable campaign against the Knight of Fair Play, Rob Young. We should be banned and ignorred.

https://snag.gy/qQ03xB.jpg


Edit: added screenshot

fyp. pure incompetence ^^

Isildur1 has spoken.

How does sharing private info with 3rd party fit with the privacy laws?
Not that I ever cheated but sharing data with whoever they want doesnt seem too legal for me.

Of course it doesn't comply with the law.

But they've just taken someone's money a few posts earlier with not even the pretense of natural justice, so this is hardly surprising.

In this respect, they're just behaving like a lawless cowboy operation.

A user of the Partypoker UK FB group has had his Partypoker account banned for 3rd party tool use following an explicit request to demonstrate the abilty to use Equilab.

rob yong - show me a working hud and you will receive huge cash prize

haha nope youre banned

party poker support - please help us out and show that equilab runs

haha youre banned too

this is ridiculous

And I thought the colluding DTD stables being bought into live events was the biggest problem. Wow.

thats pretty disgusting lol