I have reported at least two accounts in the past 6 months that I reported as bots and got confirmation that the accounts were banned and money would be redistributed. Both accounts had been playing for over a year.

I am very interested what Party are now doing that they weren't a few months ago that suddenly means they'll be detecting all these bots (maybe actually trying to catch bots?).

I don't think anyone thinks players are better at catching them than the site (given the site having so much more information/data) rather than up till now, no site other than Stars seems to actively care about banning bots and even Stars managed to miss a big PLO bot ring.

That's a big boy post.







i'm convinced and all I can say is

Dear Partypoker,

You've messed up every update for 10+ years now, but this takes the cake.

Congratulations!

Snap cash out and not gonna deposit again until hands are back!

A large portion of recs barely changed their names. Modified a character or two. I recognized most of my opponent via name or avatar. Well done!

That is pretty much the same point I had when Bodog switched to anonymous players. At the time I was grinding sngs and had an extensive list of bots that I played with daily. They were on leaderboards and were very profitable in the soft games. You think the bots went away when their play could no longer be tracked? To this day the widest available commercial bot touts that Bovada/Bodog has the lowest rated game security, meaning they don't give a damn.

It's not like Pokerstars in their hey day (which had industry leading security) saying 'trust us, we got this'. Bodog and Party were/are not on the forefront in terms of game security, why should we as players put faith in them?

I don't know if you've done this deliberately or accidentally, but you've got quite the logical fallacy there. Of course "all the biggest bot scandals were discovered by players" because if they were detected by sites, they wouldn't be scandals. That's a significant selection bias problem there, DUCY?

Hand histories are an important part of stopping cheating. But they're only part, let's not overstate our case here for why hand histories help to protect players.

I dnt care about huds. I care about the integrity of the games.

We want dl hh but at same time i dnt want cheats to misuse it. I know pros buy hh off these shady people. Where there is money. There are cheats. Sad world we live in but its the reality we are faced with

This change was made by PP because they could not detect players who were using 3rd party HH converters.

This software will be tweaked and I've no faith that PP will be able to detect it again.

This combined with not being able to track my own results means I've withdrawn my roll. GG Party

I feel sorry for the guys halfway through trying to grind diamond club,what a task that will be now.

I did some reading up on this thread. Basically boils down to a trust issue.
In general players dont trust PP (or any site for that matter) to manage their games on the integrity part.

fwiw, just see what happens and after x period evaluate

+1

If PartyPoker can't detect players who were using 3rd party hand history converters, why would anyone think they can detect bots or other, more harmful, sorts of cheating, without players complementing their efforts?

It's complete head-in-the-sand madness

Guys relax, Rob totally got this!

He even hired a new head of security:

Who is on the Board ?

Well, here is what Rob says:

“There are no higher-ups,” laughs Yong. “There is no board at party. There is Tom Waters, and he makes the decisions. You have Nick Whiten over at partypoker Live. You’ve got John (Duffie) and Mike (Sexton)who are your experienced older faces, and myself who helps everybody, really. It’s agile. For example, let’s say we like this venue {Landing Casino, Jeju} or Macau, and want to announce a MILLIONS Asia tomorrow, we could do it in a minute.”

https://calvinayre.com/2019/03/07/po...dio-interview/

“We had a five-year plan: 2017-2021, and we spent the first year doing the brand repair,” says Yong. “We wanted to repair the partypoker brand, which had been affected by charging withdrawal fees, segregation of player pools. They had made a lot of mistakes. We thought the best way to repair the brand was to meet the customers face-to-face. Tom is at nearly all the live events. We decided to create partypoker Live, and we felt within 12-months we wanted to make that number one in the world. I don’t think anyone can say that partypoker’s not the strongest live tour operator in the world outside of the World Series, which takes place once a year.

“In 2018, we wanted to improve the online offering, which meant some improvements in software and tournaments. We took a lot of gambles. We increased the guarantees from $3m a week to $10m a week. We took a lot of bruises from that. We took a lot of risks doing million dollar events every Sunday. We had a really good go online, but we found that more difficult, to be honest with you.

“2019 is about stabilising the first two years; improving the software, and creating a more stable platform everywhere: software, CRM, live events. The first two years just go for it live and online. Year three consolidate and tick a few boxes, and clear up some of the mess we created in the earlier years, and then years four and five creating some sheen and making things even better. It’s been a well thought out plan. There have been some bumps along the way, but I think we’re 40% up again so far this year; 40% last year – if we continue to be 40% up YoY it won’t be long before we are near the competition.”

Not saying anything either way here, just providing some actual background on the public reasons for changes.

The article is pretty good reading if one is interested in knowing the "why" at party.

https://calvinayre.com/2019/03/07/po...dio-interview/

“In terms of the industry at the moment there are other hungry operators such as ACR, GGPoker and some other guys that are doing challenging stuff, it’s not just party. I think 888 do some good stuff like that rakeless Sunday.”

"And then there’s Run It Once Poker.

I spoke to Phil {Galfond} before he launched his site. He has some great ideas and is very committed. I did tell him that I have learned that the loyalty of players to your brand is not as strong as we think. He has a great following, great brand, great blogs, good guy – but ultimately will players support him with their money, I’m not sure.”

Lol, I'm old enough to remember when publicly traded corporations took corporate governance seriously.

I know you all are just thinking about your own ass here and it's understandable. But for recreational players who dont have HUD's it's a great change. I would hate to play in a site where I know everyone else has HUD and I dont. I rather just dont play. Now I can play as I know the table is not full of sharks with HUD's.

The hidden nuggets within that quote are

1. John and Mike are "old faces", not visionaries, etc.

2. "It's agile". This is significant because, Rob would be what is called the "Product Owner", presumably for all of poker. Whatever his vision is, that is what his various teams will work to implement.

The article went on to cite huge growth in numbers, which other posters in this thread attribute to a period of courting changes to appeal to high volume players. This latest development may indeed drive away such players, but that period may have been intended to build up a financial reservoir to implement and ride out such steps as stripping away HH, in favor of the MyGame tool.

Remember, if this goes South re revenues for whatever period they might weather, they can always bring back HH, that data is not gone from their hands.

Party has in the past torched billions in market cap when it thought it was necessary, they may feel this presents a similar trial by fire situation.

banning HUDs in barely an issue in comparison to removing hand histories

yeah really hate the hostile scare mongering propaganda style of the OP, happy I'm using PT

same owner afaik

Oh. I thought it's necessary to make sure people don't have a hud. I mean if hand histories were still available how can they be sure hud is not used?

Maybe I'm clueless. It's even likely. But if they could make sure nobody uses hud and have hand histories avaliable then I don't understand the move to remove HH's

Surely they can stop HUDs without removing hand histories. After all, they claim their security system is perfect and can detect all the bots and colluders without help from players, so enforcing anti-HUD rules should be a walk in the park by comparison!

Hey, man, you just don't get the PLAN.

You are forgetting MyGame, which no one would use if they could simply download HH and self-study or use some 3d party analyzer ...

wtf, You need to get with the PROGRAM, Man ! You sure you ever worked at Stars ???

And don't call me Shirley.

I worked in collusion detection at PokerStars back in the early days before automated collusion reviews and eventually server based detections software was developed. Even with the server-based software, player reports help improve the software as those cases are resolved and software algorithms are improved.

Please be aware of the impact of denying players access to their own hand histories will have on your experience at Party Poker. This decision does nothing to help players like you who will now be playing against collusion teams who share hole cards and coordinate strategies using hard to detect custom encrypted messaging software.

Playing against pros with HUDs will seem like a walk in the park by comparison. If protecting you from HUDs were the issue, they would have simply banned the use of HUDs while allowing players to use tracker databases for self-improvement or suspicious play review after logging out of the site.

Why was this decision made? I have no idea but protecting players from HUD users doesn't pass the "does it make sense" test.