After June 17, you should be aware that
partypoker players will no longer be able to download hand histories of their results. With the removal of hand histories,
partypoker is effectively asking their players to “
trust us but do not verify.”
Some players will minimize the implications of no hand histories because they are comfortable relying solely on
partypoker internal security. This kind of blind faith is dangerous and ill-advised for at least a couple of reasons, and this post addresses why we believe this is dangerous for poker players and bad for online poker.
Even though poker sites have internal game security, in their own blog
partypoker reported that, for April 2019, “
39 account closures in the month, 38.5% (15) were directly attributed to reports submitted by partypoker players.”
On multiple occasions, hand histories were used to detect major cheating scandals that involved players being cheated by poker site “insiders”. While this is not an accusation against
partypoker, it is the height of being naïve to assume that it could not happen again.
The lack of the most critical tool allowing players to help police game integrity should be a key factor to consider when deciding which online poker sites you support in the future as a player.
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How does a hand history help protect players?
Hand histories have a long track record of being the most important tool to help players themselves ensure game integrity yet
partypoker is removing them "to protect players". Poker hand histories are often downloaded into a local database such as those provided by PokerTracker and Holdem Manager software. Once a player has a database of their hand histories, the analytics tools in the software are instrumental in allowing customers to:
(A) filter/sort/analyze key playing results/trends/patterns that can be instrumental in flagging potential cheating, chip dumping or bots.
(B) review and verify the integrity of card distributions across large samples of their hand histories.
Downloadable poker hand histories also allow you to send a hand to a friend or post it on a forum to publicly discuss it with others.
I don’t use a poker hand database to review my hand histories. Why should I care?
While you may not use a hand history database, the players that do use them are helping to protect every poker player. When a player detects suspicious play or patterns of potential cheating via the analytics in their PokerTracker or Holdem Manager hand history database, they are often detecting cheating rings, chip dumpers, and bots that have cheated 1000’s of players prior to being discovered.
Why can’t I just rely on partypoker to protect the integrity of the games on their site?
Rob Yong is a
partypoker partner and the same person who, when asked about upcoming
partypoker cash game ecology changes (including the elimination of hand histories), publicly stated on the
Jeff Gross Podcast that “The decisions that are getting made or will be made will mainly come from myself”.
Given that Rob Yong is a partner in
partypoker and is the self proclaimed decision maker that has decided that partypoker players will no longer receive hand histories, what he says publicly should be of particular importance to partypoker players.
Rob Yong recently stated “I am absolutely like 100% sure that partypoker will eradicate all bots, collusion, and cheating . . ."
How comfortable would you feel using an antivirus software that claims “we will eliminate 100% of all current and future viruses and you will never again be the victim of an attack of any kind”. A reasonable and rational person would be skeptical of such a statement. Reasonable and rational
partypoker players should similarly be skeptical of this claim made by Rob Yong.
Why should a
partypoker player be comfortable with a site removing their hand histories when their public statements demonstrate this kind of naivety or, at worst, a willingness to intentionally
mislead their players by stating all bots, collusion and cheating are going to be eliminated by their internal game security going forward.
Rob Yong also stated in the podcast that “A loss making bot must be the best thing for a site but obviously it doesn’t matter you can’t have bots playing poker”.
Seriously? So if a bot is able to beat players of a certain skill level but overall is a losing bot because of more highly skilled players then that is “the best thing for a site”? The less skilled players that are unable to beat the bot might be of a different opinion.
Making a statement like that on some level should undermine confidence or at least raise reasonable questions as to
partypoker's commitment to eliminating bots. Yet, once again, players are asked to “
trust us but do not verify.”
Lastly, as we touched on above, some of the biggest cheating scandals in online poker history involved poker site “insiders” (
Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker) cheating their own players. These cheating scandals were only detected because players had the ability to analyze hand histories and then reported their findings publicly. Once again, this is not to infer that
partypoker will engage in this kind of activity. But this should cause a reasonable and rational player at
partypoker to feel uncomfortable with a “
trust us but do not verify” policy with players.
Will partypoker eliminating hand histories provide any benefit to players?
The emphatic answer is NO.
Eliminating hand histories has no impact on the data mining and eventual sale of hand histories because data mining and cheating software do not rely on hand histories provided by a poker site. The practice of mining and selling hand histories has indeed hurt online poker . . . but mining of hand histories is actually combated by the poker sites not allowing observers at tables.
Similarly, it is disingenuous, at best, to imply to
partypoker players that eliminating hand histories will protect them from cheating software. There are multiple techniques that black hat software developers can use to internally generate hand histories.
We realize that there are some players that are not in favor of HUD’s. Removing hand histories does not prevent HUDs. While we feel strongly that HUDs are a beneficial tool for both the player and sites, our focus in this thread is about player safety and the danger inherent in the removal of hand histories.
Will the elimination of hand histories level the playing field between all players?
No. It will achieve just the opposite. Black hat 3rd party software will soon offer the ability to build hand histories on partypoker even though an actual hand history is no longer delivered by the poker site.
What will be achieved is only players using black hat 3rd party tools will have hand histories on
partypoker going forward. All of the rule following players will be left without the single most effective tool that they had to help self-police the integrity of the games on
partypoker : hand histories.
What should I do?
There are three things that every
partypoker player should do to help protect their right to hand histories:
- Make other players aware of the increased risk to game integrity associated with partypoker eliminating hand histories effective June 17th. This can be achieved through forum posts, tweets, and blog posts as well as by discussing it with other players when playing live.
- Communicate directly to partypoker your concerns about the increased risk to game security and game integrity that will result from removing hand histories.
- Lastly, support poker sites that demonstrate an appreciation and respect for players contribution to game security and game integrity that is only possible by providing their players with hand histories.
Please share
https://protectonlinepokerplayers.com/ in your tweets, blogs, and on facebook.
This website explains to other online poker players, in easy to understand terms, the magnitude of the risk to game security resulting from partypoker’s elimination of hand histories. It also addresses the complete lack of any credible argument to support removing hand histories.
The site was launched by Max Value Software LLC ("MVS"). MVS owns and operates PokerTracker.com and HoldemManager.com
Max Value Software LLC is responsible for this post. MVS owns PokerTracker and Hold’em Manager.
Last edited by R*R; 06-17-2019 at 12:01 PM.