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04-14-2018 , 08:59 AM
Official news post (link)

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Since PKO tournaments (MTTs) were launched, there has been much debate in the online poker world as to whether it is fair on players for online poker sites to apply additional rake to the bounty element of buy-ins in PKO MTTs, instead of just applying rake to the portion of the buy-in that goes directly into the main prize pool. For example, should the rake for a $22 PKO MTT be $1 or $2?

After reviewing feedback from the poker community and lobbying from Patrick Leonard, we will remove rake on the bounty element on all our PKO MTTs with effect from Sunday 6th May, in time for our Powerfest PKO events. We will hold this policy for six months with the intention to make this a permanent reduction to our pricing structure. We have over 350 PKO MTTs per week with guarantees of over $4 million, so clearly, we will need players continued support to remain competitive revenue wise with other online poker sites.
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04-14-2018 , 09:00 AM
woohoo
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04-14-2018 , 09:04 AM
Wonder if the stars owned Pokernews will show some independence and publish the news? No mention so far.
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04-14-2018 , 10:54 AM


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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
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You register a $20 tournament. There are 1000 players. The prizepool (after the $2 rake) is $20,000. $10,000 in the normal main prizepool and $10,000 in the other prizepool. You register on time and away you go. 3 hours later (some PSKOs on other sites offer up to 5 hours late reg) there is now 350 people left in the tournament. My Mum (shout out Mum <3) goes to register (she doesn't know the rake and its hidden from her on some sites) and now what does the prizepool stand at? $10,000 + $10,000? NO! 650 people have been knocked out, that means that the prizepools stand at $10,000 + $6000-$3500 (depending on the % of PSKO of course) so my Mother is paying the same rake for a tournament that she pays $22 and there is $13500 remaining whilst my noisy neighbour from across the street who gets there on time plays for $20,000? Wait, thats not fair, and I've just started...... There is a lot of other things to consider, my Mother registering late with 30bbs is going to be against average stacks of 50-60bbs, she will have a very poor chance of getting a knockout, her equity of that $10,000 bounty prizepool, oh no wait, $3500 prizepool is a lot lower than if she had an average stack.
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Today I am very proud to say I represent partypoker.
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04-14-2018 , 11:46 AM
wow well done!!!
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04-14-2018 , 12:57 PM
No way they can survive with this business model. They will be broke soon. No one wants to play these tournaments, Pokerstars has shown us the data.
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04-14-2018 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
No way they can survive with this business model. They will be broke soon. No one wants to play these tournaments, Pokerstars has shown us the data.
Tbh I am a little worried about their business model.
This nice change isn't unto itself the issue but as a whole Party isn't making nearly enough of the depositors money compared to any other site.

If they can sustain this then great but I fear a collapse which would eliminate real competition to Stars overnight.

It takes a longtime to grow something and a single shareholders meeting to wipe it all out.
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04-14-2018 , 01:50 PM
Party poker must really hate the players, deliberately making the games tougher by lowering the rake!
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04-14-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
No way they can survive with this business model. They will be broke soon. No one wants to play these tournaments, Pokerstars has shown us the data.
If no one wants to play these tournaments, then this is the correct move to get people playing. On the other hand, Im sure theyve done a thorough analysis of the effect it will have on their bottom line,, and i doubt they would act on it if it put them at risk of being broke.

I dont doubt that you have more insights into the business aspect of these poker sites then I do, but fear mongering about them going broke when their numbers have literally seen massive increases in the past 2 years seems highly irresponsible.
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04-14-2018 , 02:52 PM
PKO tournaments are a cancer tumor.

It's basically Poker Communism. You take the money from good players who know how to make final tables consistently and give it to lesser skilled players.

You can have them on the schedule. Just don't allow them to dominate the schedule.
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04-14-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tilltard
If no one wants to play these tournaments, then this is the correct move to get people playing. On the other hand, Im sure theyve done a thorough analysis of the effect it will have on their bottom line,, and i doubt they would act on it if it put them at risk of being broke.

I dont doubt that you have more insights into the business aspect of these poker sites then I do, but fear mongering about them going broke when their numbers have literally seen massive increases in the past 2 years seems highly irresponsible.
Lol sarcasm is lost in print.
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04-14-2018 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by freedom 35
Lol sarcasm is lost in print.
Oh damn, I read it on my phone and 100% thought he was serious.
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04-14-2018 , 04:33 PM
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful
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04-14-2018 , 04:42 PM
Great, now these are going to be shark infested.
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04-14-2018 , 04:59 PM
Worst tournament structure ever invented, but glad to see a rake reduction from a poker site.
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04-14-2018 , 05:17 PM
why worst tournament structure ever invented, it's kind of a compromise between cashgames and MTTs, I like it
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04-14-2018 , 07:38 PM
I'm taking my play to a site where they have proper rake. Now these game get infested with regs and if there was more rake I would have a better chance. One could argue more rake is actually better.
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04-14-2018 , 09:59 PM
Got a 50$ bonus from party in the post today, haven't played there in years.. They are doing good things
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04-14-2018 , 10:34 PM
Now if only they'd remove the insane cap of .5/1 for huplo (hunl has 1/2, 2/5, 5/10) They're the only site that has a seemingly random cap for plo vs nlh and there's no getting an answer out of them.
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04-14-2018 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
why worst tournament structure ever invented, it's kind of a compromise between cashgames and MTTs, I like it
I mainly hate them because PokerStars wants their entire schedule to be these which means eventually other sites will do the same thing. If you're a good tournament player, these becoming the norm is not good for you, but I see why recs love them. I do like the format if it stays in it's lane and doesn't take over the entire schedule of all sites.
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04-15-2018 , 05:28 AM
$50 bonus? They never sent me anything til I cashed out my entire roll. Now they are sending me $11 Satty tickets everyday.
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04-15-2018 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful
You bring up a very good point here actually - is Stars doing this strat since the markets probably don't appreciate just how critical liquidity is? Revenue and profits might be up a little for Amaya but any kind of liquidity reduction negates these small gains.

If you read a shareholder's prospectus you would think Amaya was doing great

Edit: If you decide to play on party some more Talal be sure to leave feedback on partypoker MTTC - Pads does take a lot of feedback on board, and quickly.
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04-15-2018 , 07:05 AM
so party is lowering protection for the recs? wow
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04-15-2018 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful
I agree with everything, except the rakeback point. For the majority of players it'll be somewhere between 0-15%, because they will lose their partial progress every week and get nothing. The amount of volume required to get 40% is 1200$, something zero mtt players will ever see. Maybe during powerfest if you play all the highest buyins. A guy who plays a few 11 and 22 mtts in a week will get literally 0% because he rakes less than 25$.

Of course with stars increasing rake <22$ and psko's being cheaper now, you're still likely to pay less on party.
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04-15-2018 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
I mainly hate them because PokerStars wants their entire schedule to be these which means eventually other sites will do the same thing. If you're a good tournament player, these becoming the norm is not good for you, but I see why recs love them. I do like the format if it stays in it's lane and doesn't take over the entire schedule of all sites.
I mean I dont see why this is bad for you if you are a good tournament player, cna you explain why?
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