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04-15-2018 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful
Well said! Party is going up. Their MTT schedule was a mess, but they have fixed most of the problems. Stars are doing nothing on any issue.
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04-15-2018 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful
I agree with this in general, but its important to mention Party's cash players have serious concerns about the HH issue and bots which aren't being addressed.

Its a shame they don't have someone like Pads who cares about cash games.
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04-15-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
I mean I dont see why this is bad for you if you are a good tournament player, cna you explain why?
If you're a good tournament player would you rather have a $100,000 guarantee where most of the money is at the final table or a $100,000 guarantee that has huge amounts of money taken away by people with no shot at ever making the final table?

This isn't the thread for it and I by no means am bashing the format, but it's concerning how many people are clamoring for these things without realizing the effect they have. There is certainly a place for them, just not in every major tournament that runs.
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04-15-2018 , 06:56 PM
lets not forget the super shady deals with stables, where they offer 80%RB.

i've also heard that one stable facilitates multi-accounting, will post more when I can.
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04-15-2018 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
If you're a good tournament player would you rather have a $100,000 guarantee where most of the money is at the final table or a $100,000 guarantee that has huge amounts of money taken away by people with no shot at ever making the final table?

This isn't the thread for it and I by no means am bashing the format, but it's concerning how many people are clamoring for these things without realizing the effect they have. There is certainly a place for them, just not in every major tournament that runs.
What does it matter if most of the money is at the FT or during the tourney, ROI is what matters in the end...
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04-15-2018 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Worst tournament structure ever invented, but glad to see a rake reduction from a poker site.
I think it's a welcome change to the NLHE landscape which has been so static for the past 10 years. Feels like 9-handed NLHE with shallow stacks is so beaten to death format. It's not like you see massive mistakes from regs in vanilla-NLHE, but even regs that I think are good NLHE tournament players seem to adjust poorly for the bounty factor. So big up for popularizing any kind of format that drops the general population farther from Nash eq.

Would be very happy to see this format gain momentum now that it's lower rake. (Since winning the actual bounty is pretty much all luck.) I get why mass-tablers hate it though since it's harder to autopilot than vanilla.

Late reg is still bad for PSKOs despite the rake decrease amirite?
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04-15-2018 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AKyouwin
lets not forget the super shady deals with stables, where they offer 80%RB.

i've also heard that one stable facilitates multi-accounting, will post more when I can.
Please do.

Would love someone to look into the shady stuff that seems to go on spin games too
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04-15-2018 , 11:45 PM
good point golfbum983

When i use to login and play on party i didnt had a good gaming experience to say the least...I did login since the new mtt shedule and i must admit it is pretty impressive see all the GTD ! beside that no change was notice...total ROI the way the game is run and what they can afford to do, i just can't get over it ! no choice but to cut it short another 6 months break aha
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04-16-2018 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
So what like 5 tournaments are a bit cheaper?

There mtt schedule still blows, software is by far the worst ever, disconnects are norm, rampant with bots everywhere

And has the worse rakeback system in all of online poker, 0 percent, for ppl who play mtts Bc with their schedule they don’t even offer enough games to reach 1200$ raked a week or whatever

MAybe they will get a few ppl who will try out the games because of lowered rake but it won’t tske long to realize why they weren’t playing there in the first place
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Nothing encourages more positive change like trashing on a site when they make one, amirite?

I mean, I can't really blame you, because it's not like there's any other high profile thread where you can vent about them.
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
This statement sounds like someone who hasn’t played online or party poker recently, when is the last time you played the site yourself?

I mean when I first heard the 40% rakeback I thought oh great, then deposited on the site to realize there is like 8 mtts worth playing a day and the 40% is only for full time cash players, while mtt players get close to 0 percent, so yeah it’s great a few touries is a 1$ cheaper but still doesn’t help the terrible software or rampant bots

And nothing tilts me more Then constantly being disconnected when I have no connection issues

But yeah guess should be happy they aren’t taking more away like stars I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
And this post sounds like you either didn't read my post very carefully, or completely missed the point, which is this - since there's already a nice big thread in this forum where you can vent about the site all day long, what's the point in coming to a thread about an improvement they've made and venting about a whole bunch of completely unrelated things? My point had nothing to do with whether you're happy with the change, or the site, or whether I am.
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Ok, so I’ll listen to you, we can now have a parade, forget about all the problems because they are going to save the players 4$ a day in rake when they have a million other problems going on right now. And you never answered whether you have even played there recently so I will guess it’s no.

Party time tho woo hoo
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Obviously no point discussing with you any further as, since that's not remotely close to anything I've suggested, I can only conclude you're deliberately missing my point.
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
You suggest to be positve? It that your point?
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Well, I'm rather sorry I continued your derail of this thread, as it's getting kind of ridiculous now, and I probably should move it to a more appropriate thread or delete it soon.

No, you don't have to be positive. But we already have a thread where you can vent about Party all day long, so when you come into this thread to rant about things completely unrelated to the thread topic, all you're doing is derailing. And so am I.
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Sorry last post,

If you steal a million dollars then give back one it doesn’t make you Robin Hood.

Although it sounds like a good change, compared to the games they offer it’s basically no change and doesn’t help improve the issues of why people don’t want to play there including myself.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Completely fair point, and I'd have taken no issue if that's what you had originally posted. But I probably could've gotten us here a lot more efficiently, so the derail's on me. I think the easiest solution is simply to merge all our posts into one, which I'll now do, and then get the hell out of the way.
Sorry last post,

If you steal a million dollars then give back one it doesn’t make you Robin Hood.

Although it sounds like a good change, compared to the games they offer it’s basically no change and doesn’t help improve the issues of why people don’t want to play there including myself.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 04-16-2018 at 04:45 AM. Reason: Merged together a derail, and repeated gb's last post at the end so he has the last word as he should.
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04-16-2018 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sirin
I agree with this in general, but its important to mention Party's cash players have serious concerns about the HH issue and bots which aren't being addressed.

Its a shame they don't have someone like Pads who cares about cash games.
This is why after 7 or 8 years playing cash games on Party I decided to withdraw my bankroll and play elsewhere. Bot situation is out of control in cash games on Party, especially FF. Moving to regular tables isn't an option as you are up against regs using illegal hand converters. Until they address these problems I will not return to Party.
It's frustrating as they are doing a lot right in other areas.
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04-16-2018 , 09:42 AM
sweet!
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04-16-2018 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by raidalot
GreedStars
Rake: Up, Hidden
Rakeback: ~4%, Ridiculous coffins, Useless freerolls etc
Liquidity: Shrinking
Ethos: How can we screw more out of the players?
Model: Squeeze out all the cash
Communication: Lies, Spin, "It's good for the ecosystem, blah, blah"

Party
Rake: Down, Transparent
Rakeback: 40%, No gimmicks, No hassle
Liquidity: Growing
Ethos: How can we attract more players?
Model: Invest in the business
Communication: Honest, Respectful

100% right

well said raid
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04-17-2018 , 04:13 PM
Pokerstars will always be a way better option for tournaments. Pokerstars tournaments don’t have server issues whenever there are big overlays. Players don’t get screwed out of their time , money and bounties. How many times in the last 3 years has this happened on Party?
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04-17-2018 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by *CHOMP
Pokerstars will always be a way better option for tournaments. Pokerstars tournaments don’t have server issues whenever there are big overlays.
Kind of hard to have issues "whenever there are big overlays" when there are never overlays at stars.
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04-17-2018 , 08:04 PM
Chomp pick your battles. This ain't one of them.
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04-18-2018 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
Kind of hard to have issues "whenever there are big overlays" when there are never overlays at stars.
O RLY?

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...y-anniversary/

Probably the biggest online poker overlay in history!?
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04-18-2018 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NooooBingo
O RLY?

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...y-anniversary/

Probably the biggest online poker overlay in history!?
Oh wow you managed to find one. Would like to have a medal for that?
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