A different solution would be to offer games where luck predominates and tight play has no chance.

no, they should just make all games unbeatable and rake everyone to death

oh wait...they just did that



wtf are you smoking?

Serious question: Does Party Poker still have Heads-Up games?

wait wait wait.. im playing at party now and there are still fishes with like 70+ vpip in my tables..

omg !! im a fish also

Thats true, I guess like most things it depends on how Party handles the situation. And they have already started off in a terrible way. The message needs to be that new players are segregated at first and then play with the rest of the player pool no matter what happens in the future. I am not sure how exactly Party is doing things but if the goal is to just segregate winning players at any point, then they are idiots.

Iirc you had to win 1k+ that week before they started blocking you.

This is interesting, thx for the research

dont see how this could be worse than outright stealing every players' account balance.

I honestly believe this is a possibility. The gap between the zynga play money players and the online pros is so huge. The gap could have been a concern for Zynga before bringing their players to real money networks.

This is also bad for tourneys players I'd say.

Interesting idea a although if they really wanted to protect the eco-system, they would lower all their rakes and make their competition end up having to do the same.


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what they dont understand is regs keep the games alive - if regs cant make money regs will leave thus killing the games, thus costing party a ton of money.....sure this is good for the casual player but its really a slap in the face to loyal customers

why didn't they just create fish friendly tables. Where if you have a high winrate your not allowed to play at this table. But if the fish wanna test his skill he can move to the bigboy tables.

I hope they can handle all the cashouts!

Why didn't they just have a get together with a big ole bowl of koolaid. Same effect.

For anyone that plays pool in a league, you will know this works and helps create more players. The top players are ranked at 7 or 6 and the lesser players go all the way down. They have restrictions against the top players that basically make it difficult to "feed" off the fish. If the leagues just let the top players torture everyone, no one would play or attempt to learn the games.
With that being said... it is lonely at the top!!!

MBN to bet Tuff_Fish he gets to play with all the bad players now.

are these "welcome lounges" only for smaller stakes?

When stars is the biggest site why do rooms try all of this shady stuff instead of trying to copy stars?

If you try to copy stars why would anyone play at the copy when you have the original which functions better.

This.

What a mess. I'm totally okay with segregating out new players (as they did with the "Welcome Tables" already) but segregating between long term losers and long term winners is a huge mistake.

I'm not sure how many different player pools they have, but imagine the extreme: Whenever you sit at a table, it's filled entirely and only with people who have your exact win rate.

Under such a system, only the (literally) single best player on the network even has the potential to be able to profit over a large sample. Even that's not a guarantee, since it is quite likely that the best player is not good enough to overcome the rake when playing against the next five best players.

If you're a recreational player and your expectation is to play every now and then and lose money over time, then this change is fine, and probably a small net positive.

If it's your expectation to win at poker or profit in any way and monetize your poker skill, this change is effectively the same as the game ceasing to exist.

Basically this change ranges of a scale of "Bad" to "Catastrophe" depending on how many different player pool divisions there are. Either way, most players will eventually end up in a non-withdrawing cycle of: deposit, win for awhile until they meet players of their own skill level, then lose until they drop down to the lesser skilled bracket, and wobble back and forth between the two slowly losing to the rake.

This is true to a point, but Partypoker is like a car designer who can look at a 1969 Corvette and then not even decide to put brake lines or four wheels on his own car.

Competing companies might not want to be exactly like stars, but they should definitely look at some things (like the software and many of the options in the client) and say "Hey, we should do that."

The Cake network did something kind of like this a few years ago. They segregated the mid stakes games between skins to protect the players that were also betting sports. It was a short time before barely any games were ever running and it was the only reason I left the network.

I agree that this is a terrible decision and was handled horridly, but I also see that the need to change. Fish do not like to play with 24 tabling nits that are using HUDS and sitting around grinding volume for rakeback or VIP programs. Playing with a 14/12 nit is pretty damn boring, especially when that 14/12 nit is at 24 tables. Oh and guess what...there's a **** ton of them too. Casual player also tend to think that HUDS are a form of cheating (our opinion is irrelevant).

Key to pleasing rec players and keeping games profitable IMO:

- Eliminate HUDS
- Lower the cap on number of tables
- Eliminate VIP programs that reward nitty play
- provide ez deposit and withdrawal methods.
- run promos and advertise to rec players ldo

Exactly this. I can't see how this is a net good in anyway. Hey Party, maybe it would be useful to let the players know what's actual going on. To implement such a crazy rule and just think people won't notice (??) if a slap in the face

+1 I completely agree with all of this.

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