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02-28-2013 , 07:51 PM

#51

Lostmyothername!

banned

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 69

what if a fish becomes a winning player in the fishy player pool? will he then be transfered to the regulars segregated pool ?

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02-28-2013 , 07:52 PM

#52

useless

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 949

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Originally Posted by Lostmyothername!

what if a fish becomes a winning player in the fishy player pool? will he then be transfered to the regulars segregated pool ?

yes

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02-28-2013 , 08:03 PM

#53

Confluence84

banned

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 216

This is gross, I will never play on Partypoker if the option becomes available, I will do everything I can in my more or less negligible "power" to encourage my friends family and random strangers to avoid partypoker, and because most people don't understand poker and understand the "politics" of poker in situations like these even less, i'll simply tell friends and family that Partypoker got caught cheating their players and robbing them outright, which is more or less the case in my opinion (as a winning player).

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02-28-2013 , 08:04 PM

#54

catlax30

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 646

possible worst thing a poker site has ever done? wonder what else they have done that people haven't noticed yet

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02-28-2013 , 08:08 PM

#55

TheJacob

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,862

So you just keep creating player pools until no one is winning.

Yeh, that seems like a good plan. Pretty short sighted IMO. It is party though. I remember when they were huge and then they did nothing to improve their site(but plenty to ruin it) while pokerstars and full tilt became juggernauts and crushed them.

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02-28-2013 , 08:09 PM

#56

ItsOnlyChips

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,230

very troubling

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02-28-2013 , 08:10 PM

#57

caspermatic

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 810

So...if you've been playing on Party, cash out

If you haven't, make an account and crush the fish until you get bumped up. Then cash out.

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02-28-2013 , 08:13 PM

#58

humanoid

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 413

Is this laying the foundation for when zynga uk join the network shortly ?

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02-28-2013 , 08:15 PM

#59

Greg20

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 282

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Originally Posted by TheJacob

I remember when they were huge and then they did nothing to improve their site(but plenty to ruin it) while pokerstars and full tilt became juggernauts and crushed them.

Not really. Party was crushing PS until UIGEA happened and Party left US market.

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02-28-2013 , 08:22 PM

#60

Gabbien

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 94

Have these changes already affected HU games, anyone noticed? Maybe they would try to force weak players open the new tables and wait for other bad players, or whatever...

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02-28-2013 , 08:23 PM

#61

draksbg

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 72

How do you know where do you belong? How much are you supposed to win/lose in order to be divided within winning/losing players pool?

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02-28-2013 , 08:24 PM

#62

e1cnr

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Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,008

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Originally Posted by TheJacob

A disadvantage of being a publically traded company, whose purpose is to maximize shareholder value and profits....

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02-28-2013 , 08:29 PM

#63

bigt2k4

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15,296

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Originally Posted by catlax30

possible worst thing a poker site has ever done? wonder what else they have done that people haven't noticed yet

Not even close, superusers were worse, closing up shop and running away with all the money is the worst.

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02-28-2013 , 08:37 PM

#64

Eddie P R

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 58

Maybe this is a ploy to get a bunch of stars and full tilt players who want to play the fish tables to sign up for the site, and then they get rid of the segregation to get the winning regs to start playing again and hope that the new players they got keep playing there too.

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02-28-2013 , 08:47 PM

#65

sapo23

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 59

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Originally Posted by Eddie P R

lool yes! With the PP fantastic VIP system right?

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02-28-2013 , 08:52 PM

#66

botifarra

newbie

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 33

Having a monopoly was never that easy

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02-28-2013 , 08:53 PM

#67

kleinstein000

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,339

This may not be as bad as it sounds. I think the reasoning that Party gave to justify this move is probably accurate. One thing that makes recreational players want to play is the chance of winning money. If a new recreational player sits down at a table for the first time and is playing against all professionals, they are going to lose so fast everytime. That pattern will be cemented in their head and they will not want to play again. The idea of letting them play for a little while at tables that are super soft, giving them a MUCH higher chance to win a little bit, will probably vastly increase the chance that they come back more in the future.

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02-28-2013 , 08:54 PM

#68

RUFFNECK

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,444

I want to say Party did this once before. 04-05, pre-UIGEA, they fenced off new accounts at specific tables.

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02-28-2013 , 09:01 PM

#69

TheTenderVigilante

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 634

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Not even close, superusers were worse, closing up shop and running away with all the money is the worst.

no, in the grand scheme of things, this is actually worse

one rogue site doing shady things is one thing, a publically traded company that's regarded as one of the industry leaders essentially killing all profitability in poker and mutating it into a strictly recreational game in the name of saving the ecology, if this proves to be profitable and successful for the company, could completely wipe out ipoker for any non-megastakes grinder

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02-28-2013 , 09:09 PM

#70

jukofyork

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 11,749

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Originally Posted by kleinstein000

This may not be as bad as it sounds. I think the reasoning that Party gave to justify this move is probably accurate. One thing that makes recreational players want to play is the chance of winning money. If a new recreational player sits down at a table for the first time and is playing against all professionals, they are going to lose so fast everytime. That pattern will be cemented in their head and they will not want to play again. The idea of letting them play for a little while at tables that are super soft, giving them a MUCH higher chance to win a little bit, will probably vastly increase the chance that they come back more in the future.

This is correct, but if/when the word gets out that Party penalizes you when you do win, recreational players will think that they have no chance to win and that the site is just out to screw them...

Perhaps this will still be OK with casino-type gamblers who don't care about winning, but for any aspiring poker players it's gonna be a huge negative.

Juk

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02-28-2013 , 09:10 PM

#71

4BetBoke

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,568

Anyone know if this has an effect on the HU lobby?

Also that answer completely skirted the issue: "This includes, but is not limited to, our welcome lounge"

So still no information, really. What about people grinding 1/2 and 2/4 for a living on party? Maybe they're at the highest tier VIP and are now essentially ****ed. No notice, not even the courtesy to inform players.

Handled appallingly

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02-28-2013 , 09:11 PM

#72

d0nk3y

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,185

Bwin used to be on OnGame so it wouldn't surprise me if the same geniuses behind the Essence system are responsible for this mess.

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02-28-2013 , 09:14 PM

#73

curtinsea

WA iPoker NOW

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,361

This isn't unique or the first site to do it. Everleaf last year implemented similar restrictions on which tables you could sit at based on your rating

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02-28-2013 , 09:18 PM

#74

heater

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 11,407

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Originally Posted by sevenpoker

wow... I guess it's great for online poker in the long run, but not making it public before launching it!?!? that's gotta suck for people who grind the site as a job as opposed to playing on Stars for eg.

wat

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02-28-2013 , 09:18 PM

#75

DaycareInferno

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 18,285

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Originally Posted by RUFFNECK

I want to say Party did this once before. 04-05, pre-UIGEA, they fenced off new accounts at specific tables.

There were beginner tables for new accounts, but it had nothing to do with winrates. Any new account could play on those tables for like a couple of weeks or something like that.

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