It's being reported that Revolution is taking similar steps

Just found this thread, any information as to how HU tables are being handled (any differently) also HU SNG's are they segregated as well? appreciate the info

FYP

Yeah Lock network is doing the same thing now. Live poker here I come. Fml.

Part of the allure of poker is that someone has the ability to improve their skill, get better at the game, and make a lot of money doing so. The party poker system turns poker into a skill game where the smartest players win the most, into a casino game no different than roulette, three card poker, or slots. You really think that's a good idea?

Casual gamblers have roughly a million different games that allow them to have entertainment while slowly losing money to the house. Gamblers have ONE* option for a game where their skill edge can actually allow them to win: Poker.

I say to all casual gamblers out there: You can have your million games of chance. All I want is my one game of skill. Isn't that fair enough?


* Okay, there are actually two, with the other one being live blackjack (online versions reshuffle after every hand and thus don't allow a count) but casinos will kick you out if they catch you winning at live Blackjack, so I didn't count it.

I don't see how the skill has left the game. All this does, IMO is reduce your edge. Which means you have to work harder and improve more to be successful. You're essentially complaining because there will be no 'marks' left to prey on. This is not going to be an effective argument. In fact, you may see regulators adopt these types of measures in the future in the US as a curb on predatory players.

Here's a problem: you refer to casual players as "casual gamblers". I imagine most people like to play poker casually because they're casual skill game players. Money is there just to keep it interesting, and so is the element of chance.

Yeah. Like if they don't let the 7th dan black belt fight the skinny kid with glasses on his very first visit to the karate club, he won't do as good a number on him.

In fact, you want him to sucker-punch the kid as he's being introduced to the other members, as his jaw will probably be slack and likely to break easier.

go away old man and go play some lhe

Hello. This is just a Test. Is Partypoker stupid?

You've said that you have already done an extended research on this matter, so... What exactly are you testing here?

Are you testing the software aspect of lobby rigging or just how much more rake you can grab?

tyvm for your answer.

lol how hard do you want to work when the whole playerpool of skilled players is already near an equilibrium and makes everyone a losing or at best a breakeven player after rake? The sites don't care they just don't want winning players anymore. Whoever wants to play in such a pool with a handful of regs left is plain dumb. You must be a PP official to tell such crap.

You could be the best PLO player in the world 50 times over and yet would have no shot at beating a table of semi-competent regs in small stakes games at 20bb rake. But yeah, just try harder, I'm sure you'll will yourself to a win.

IMO this is nitpicking. Yes, you're right. It's not a pyramid scheme by definition.

But honestly it works EXACTLY the same. If the flow of new recruits ('fish') stops then the whole system collapses.

The spirit of the business model (not the game!) is the same.

And that's what I meant. But you know that


You make a lot of assumptions.

I doubt that there are enough multitablers to fill the seats.

Let's say you cut the number of tables from 24 to 4 then you need five(!) multitablers to replace one 24-tabler!

Five multitablers that aren't playing on your site anyway! Five multitablers that are willing and able to multisite.


See above.

This is about to change. Any site that wants to take on UK players will need a UK Gambling Commission Licence.

This will mean that all sites will need to give all their players access to to a third party dispute arbitrator approved by the commission and all sites will need to report criminal activity like collusion to the Gambling Commission. The days of sites choosing their regulator end very soon - the legislation is this month and will be in full force for all sites by the end of 2014.

+1, pretty shady

They would stop me sitting at 16 tables and using software to monitor all the other players though wouldn't they?

They also segregate quite well by managing the stakes at the tables and opening up what players want.

A good cardroom manager opens up a new table with a decent mix of regs and recs from the list. Sometimes they don't open up at a level despite the list being long enough to justify it and instead spread a different game or level precisely because the new dealer goes to the game with a sustainable mix. This is hugely different to an online site with many more tables and no staff limitation, they have just opened them up and let the players sort out the mix....hence bumhunters sprinting across the cardroom, which I don't get to see in real cardroom.

you're an idiot

They did this ass-backwards. They should have identified the bum hunter abusers and given them only a segregated group of tables to play on.

What they have also done is create a day care center for fish, and its a great environment for predators to multiaccount into the front door.

Well when you dissect my post forensically, like the trained barrister you obviously are, ripping my logic to shreds on each of my points....I will feel like it, meanwhile I think I can live with your opinion.

that behavior would be mitigated by partys vip system somewhat as their rakeback comes in the form of bonuses.

Damn...guess bumhunting is off-limits at Party now.

If the flow of new customers into McDonalds didn't come every day, then the whole system collapses.

Most businesses rely on new customer acquisition and existing customer retention. Online poker is no different.

The defining characteristic of a pyramid scheme is the inherent unsustainability of the "business" because nothing of value is provided.

No, it's not the same. You're absolutely, completely, 100% wrong.

A pyramid scheme just mathematically has to collapse. There is nothing about the business model of pokerstars that is unsustainable via the laws of mathematics.

It is so tilting the way people throw around the term "pyramid scheme" on this site.

This isn't quite as bad as it sounds. It just sounds like now you have to start a table and get the fish to sit down instead of waiting till the fish sits down to sit. It would be worse if the recreational players couldn't see reg tables.