Wsop website uses the word "multiple" chips.

Dunno the guy at all, just dont think its such a big stretch to think he took it as a souvenir, sure he has rings or whatever, but who says this was for him, maybe it was for his mom or something. I bet a ton of chips are taken as souvenirs and the reason its not bigger denoms is because the player cant afford to take it off the table, but thats obviously not a problem when you just won the whole thing.

I mean maybe he is a cheat, I have no clue, I just think its ******ed to be like "zomg, 0% chance he wanted a souvenir"

Had to reply, despite my fear of even partially dipping my toes into the blood-thirsty, shark infested waters of 2+2. It's amazing the conclusions the majority of posters on here arrive at with zero knowledge of this young man, or the circumstances.

1) I just finished 38th in the main. I remember succinctly, the 25k chip wasn't even introduced until after we colored up the 500 chips. That happened after we were ITM. The ability and/or timing that would allow a player to 'sneak in' a 25k without being noticed wills have been impossible until the final two tables.

2) I had the guy at my table in one other prelim this week, the Omaha that he won, and the 1k. IMO (if you choose to value my opinion) he is a very good player. More than capable to win tourneys without cheating. In addition to that, he was a very personable guy, great personality. I know that might not matter to some of you judging him, but I KNOW 'scummy' and 'douche bag' and this guy is neither.

3) asking the TD for a souvenir chip is always going to be denied. Most of you are well aware of that. I'm sure he is/was too.

4) Bad judgement? Yes, 100%. That cannot be denied. I'm sure he is hating himself for it right now.

5) I spoke to a friend of his who told me he's been to his home, where he has this table, with Chips embedded into it of all these tourneys he's been to and played. That in itself should make it obvious what his purpose is/was. Some people collect match books. Or ticket stubs. Beer cans. All kinds of ****. This guy just kind of chose something that is heavily discouraged from taking. So he is guilty of choosing the wrong collectible item. Period.

6) There is ONE circuit event annually at the Kennel Club. The insinuation that he is stealing a chip so he can have a prototype to go manufacture a bunch more is just ridiculous.

7) That his wins are now 'tainted' is really a shame. That his check for winning the Omaha tourney had a stop payment put on it (true story-confirmed) is pathetic. I hope to god this doesn't destroy his poker career. But I've seen this time and time again (to me, for those who know me and my various plights)in the poker industry where there is no fair hearing, no chance for the player to explain his side of things. They just drop the gavel and he player is screwed. As poker players....all of you, you should be very concerned with how these situations are handled by poker management. Because it could just as easily happen to you. And we all know the thing that casinos hide behind: 'you can't sue us. We can deny entry to anyone we want, for whatever reason, period!' You all think that is fair?

8) Question to ponder: should they (WSOP staff) decide to ban his guy, rip his title away, and take away his prize money...where does that money go? Love to hear the opinions on that one.

Sorry so long. I'm driving 12 hours home to Biloxi....so had a lot of time to think!!!

Will 'Monkey' Souther

Redlocks. I haven't read all of these comments so I'm not sure if you've identified yourself to these people on 2+2 or if it's common knowledge that you were at the final table of that $1100 tourney. When I came by to checklist out on the break of the Main flight A, you were down to five players, and you were the short stack...while our 'villain' had a massive Chiplead. I've always thought you were a pretty good guy, and entertaining at the table, but I'll be honest: this smacks of pure unadulterated spite on your part. You have every reason to just nuke this guy in these forums, and I personally think it's pretty despicable.

Got so wrapped up in this while typing on my iPad that I paid no attention to my fuel gauge. I just ran out of gas on I-95 North at mile marker 211!!!! Help!!!! Bad beat!!!!

No way- Hope your armed and have triple A

You are near Kennedy space station. Not a bad area. You should have left a long time ago instead of playing that nitty 1/2 game. At least your neighbor was stacked...

Can you quote the reference? I always assumed it was one souvenir chip.

http://blog.wsop.com/2014/02/event-9...n-race-update/


Event 9 and Casino Champion Race Update

Posted on February 15, 2014 - 4:29 pm


Yesterday, after Event 9, the $1,125 No Limit Hold’em event concluded, tournament staff discovered a player had removed chips from the chip set being used in the event. The Palm Beach Kennel Club and local gaming authorities are currently conducting an investigation into the event and the player's eligibility.

Until this investigation is wrapped, we will be unable to finalize Casino Champion standings for the Palm Beach Kennel Club stop, as this event has bearing on the final points standings in the race. We will announce the Casino Champion winner once we have a resolution, but it will likely be determined after the action wraps here in Palm Beach on Monday.
This entry was posted in CIRCUIT STOPS and tagged 2013-2014, Palm Beach Kennel Club by Jessica Welman.

The fact that someone said "post borgata world" in this thread is very LOL to me.

Is taking a chip or chips wrong or is it the act of reintroducing them into play what's bad? You can prove intent to do anything wrong in this situation.

I understand that a lot of sketchy stuff has happened in the poker world but that doesn't mean that it's acceptable to go around burning people at the stake before they've been proven guilty.

Nice level sir. Can't be serious.

Can't see this ending good for him. Especially if chip or chips were taken off table before end of tournament. In which case by the rules he will be DQ'd. Feel bad if he had any backers or sold any action/swaps if thats the case. Doesn't matter if it was for a souvenir or not if chip(s) were taken durning play. And like it or not but stealing a chip is cheating according to WSOP rules it seems…


ii. Cheating includes, but is not limited to, acts such as: collusion; chip stealing; transferring non-value Tournament chips from one event to another; card marking; card substitution; or the use of any kind of cheating device.


Guessing they're reviewing cameras to see if other foul play happened besides him just taking a souvenir. Then will decide what punishment will be. If trying to use chips in other tourneys obv he should get banned. If not and its just the souvenir chip, then just DQ'd from that tourney. If taken durning play.

If either of the two happens… What happens to prize money?

BRB gonna go to Walmart and put a pack of Big League Chew Special Edition with Mariano Rivera on the package in my pocket as a "Souvenir". Let's see if loss prevention will let me just take it as a collectable.

I'll give it back if they ask for it though- or catch me in the act. It will make everything ok then, amirite?

What's sick is how pure this guy has ran while allegedly stealing chips from plenty of other venues. Well done PBKC. Nice catch sirs.

According to network television, souvenirs are popular amongst killers.

So this dude should be charged with murder in the third degree.

But that says "after" event 9. Not during play.

I agree with rzitup here: Away from the extremities of the internet/NVG, it seems to me that there are a lot more shades of grey.

Clearly, he did the wrong thing in allegedly taking the chip, and no one is saying otherwise. In that sense, he is allegedly "guilty" of the crime.

The next step is then to figure out an appropriate "sentence", and that sentence/punishment should be dependent upon the maliciousness of the act and the harm that is likely to caused by his alleged actions. In the case of him being obviously non-malicious (if that is indeed the case here... it looks likely to me, but I don't have access to all the information) that seems to call for a lighter punishment. Not all theft should be treated the same.

This thread is a disaster.

If you guys are going to accuse people of things and make wild claims about them you should be using sources. Saying anything about this story is "not up for debate" at this point is comical.

You guys are making such a big deal about something we know so little about. So little has been confirmed and so little is known about what happened. The tweets and "leaks" have included misinformation as has already been pointed out. Why take any parts of it seriously?

Assuming he did take a tournament chip(s) off the table -- what rule did he break? How is removing chips from a table a "crime?" What is the criminal punishment? How does it effect play? Where does it say PBKC can refuse to pay him? If this happened after he already won does that change anything? Why do all these reports keep saying there is a "commission?" Why do they keep saying the state is conducting an investigation with PBCK when the state doesn't have the authority to do that?

So much of the "information" out there is not really information. Stop relying on speculation and rumors to throw a guy under the bus.

Removing chips from the table is (probably) a crime in that they're property belonging to someone else, and he's aware of that. The only issue could be whether this is 'dishonest' (if that part's even in US law).

you just gave away your ID with the BLC comment.. lol

DISCOVERED after play... NOT taken after play.

Hard to believe you when you can't even spell tolerance.

Karma for ripping off all your friends and investors. Also you're an idiot for typing all that out while driving. Put other people lives in danger because you had to give your input on the situation. Not that I'd expect you to care about other people considering your history.

First of all, don't you dare call me a "nice guy" you Monkey. We all know that’s BS. We are both A**holes. Everyone on here knows who I am because I have no problem with confrontation or speaking my mind in person or online.

Second, Yes, I was @ FT & finished 3rd. So this isn't spite. This is me having real & honest concerns as to whether or not I was robbed of 10K, 20K or even my first ring. For a donkey like me, that is serious. WAY too many issues line up make this situation more than suspect & to think everyone will just say, “ahhh it’s OK, just forget it you silly Chan” is absurd. I didn’t steal anything. I didn’t cheat. I didn’t have chipS in my pocket just before entering ME… Get real.

[QUOTE=Fish Taco;42215740]Hard to believe you when you can't even spell tolerance.


You are correct sir. My inaccurate spelling of the word “tolerance” certainly means that any and all info I provide MUST also be inaccurate. Good read Sir. You are in indeed “Adept”! Thank you for your input to this thread. Much appreciated.

Well you have yet to provide real proof other than what you have said. I would expect a worthy source to at least know how to spell and quote messages right, neither of which you know how to do.

Plus this is all the confirmation we need that it indeed was just a mistake.
If Chainsaw says something, we must listen and accept.

Stop being an attention whore.
This thread, and what everyone read that was reported, discusses him taking a single chip, after the tournament was completed. If that is incorrect, then obviously that potentially changes things.
You (and others) have no idea his intentions, and labeling him a chip stealing cheater is unfair. He might be a chip stealing chip collector. Let's wait and see what the casino figures out.

Get yourself up to date.... There is NO LONGER ANY DEBATE he stole MORE THAN 2 chips and BEFORE the end of play. The ONLY part of this that could possibly be argued is his intent. Further, and I could be wrong on this part, I don’t believe the WSOP rules allow for judgments based on possible or probable intent.