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Online poker regulation issues coming to Mexico? Online poker regulation issues coming to Mexico?

01-08-2015 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RickOSU
sorry if it's already been posted, but does anyone have contact information for the relevant politicians? so we can voice our opinions on how they are making a massive mistake business-wise and economically.

I ****ing love mexico. Not trying to sit back, do nothing, and get forced out of the country I adore.
To this point there are no relevant politicians involved in this. Basically the bill isn't about poker it's about "protecting gamblers from mafia and themselves". As poker players, we are closer to be considered as addicts than professionals.

As online players we have no real leverage.

It fair to say that they might not be any significant change in over a year but in this country you never know.
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01-08-2015 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xPeru
Honest answer is I don't know, but I'd be surprised if Mexico breached the 3% limit. However, UK licensed operators must legally justify their operations in ALL countries where they don't have a national license--the 3% limit is a threshold for the amount of justification the UKGC wants to see.

Since the old laws were written so long before internet gambling, I think Stars are perfectly justified in arguing that it is not against Mexican law for an operator based in the IoM to offer internet poker to Mexican residents. I would be confident that they will continue there up to the implementation date and beyond (if they get a license).

@Muddy 7 - you seem to have skipped the first few pages of the the thread - the bill doesn't say anything about segregating the Mexican market from the rest of the World - but it does use some rather ill-defined language including "se atiendan" which make it appear that game play must be run on servers based in Mexico through the .mx.com site.

When I first suggested that the market looked like it might be segregated in an article for pokerfuse PRO, I hedged my language deliberately, because the wording--and I speak Spanish and live in Peru--was unclear.

I expected to hear quickly from PokerStars or one of the other major operators if my interpretation was wrong--whenever I get something wrong, I normally get a blistering email from someone--but my inbox is empty.

And I'm not giving away commercial secrets if I say that we have corporate or individual subscriptions from all the major poker operators--so they've all read my take on the issue.
xPeru,

Thanks for the information. Feel fee to pm me if you want to discuss this further, without giving away commercial secrets.

FWIW, the argument regarding the legality of online poker services being offered to the market in Mexico under current laws, which I think Stars actually presented at one point, goes as follows:

The current laws have been described to me as defining poker as having an essential physical element of "cards". Online presentations of any game that does not use "cards" is not to be considered as "poker" or an illegal card game.

OTOH, Stars got slammed at a live tournament event, reportedly not because of the tournament play, but because they also offered standard live play cash games.

(I am not a lawyer in Mexico, and my Spanish is limited to poker, restaurants, and local services. So, I appreciate any insights folks can offer.)
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01-08-2015 , 06:00 PM
I can help with that. Indeed poker is defined as any game where cards are in play. This changed after what happened in Monterrey where many people died after a casino was burnt. You can't play live poker in Mexico because you can't use cards.

The situation in Nuevo Vallarta is another topic that needs a lot of discussion.
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01-14-2015 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Muddy7
i wish there was a discussion on where would be the next best destination not too far from the US
medellin colombia bromigo
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02-16-2015 , 12:16 AM
Last week SEGOB announced that there will a big investment in Playa del Carmen, Baja California (maybe Los Cabos) and/or Acapulco to build casinos to attract tourism. The also mentioned that the new bill will be discussed before the end of the month but I hardly believe that. Any new info about the bill will be posted in the next days.
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02-16-2015 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by somesortabull
Last week SEGOB announced that there will a big investment in Playa del Carmen, Baja California (maybe Los Cabos) and/or Acapulco to build casinos to attract tourism. The also mentioned that the new bill will be discussed before the end of the month but I hardly believe that. Any new info about the bill will be posted in the next days.

So theres a chance that in the next few days, they might say its going to be banned in mexico? Thus even if they do that, it won't be at least 6 months minimum right?


Also does this mean every poker site and sportbetting site etc wouldn't be allowed at all?
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02-16-2015 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by somesortabull
also mentioned that the new bill will be discussed before the end of the month
link?
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02-16-2015 , 03:59 PM
anything new about this bill?
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02-16-2015 , 06:44 PM
Pleaseeeeee copy the UK regulated market! Pleaseee!
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02-17-2015 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
So theres a chance that in the next few days, they might say its going to be banned in mexico? Thus even if they do that, it won't be at least 6 months minimum right?


Also does this mean every poker site and sportbetting site etc wouldn't be allowed at all?
No, I don't think this could happen in any scenario and even if this happens won't change anything until five or six months but I repeat, this is not an important subject in the goverment agenda.

Here's the link about the new resorts: http://aristeguinoticias.com/1002/me...roximas-vegas/
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02-17-2015 , 03:15 AM
Hi. So you are saying don't even worry about this online poker regulation issue then at all? Thus if anything happens won't be at least 1 year as well? I'm thinking it probably will be few years at least if anything?


Also most importantly if anything does happen, will it be every gambling site whether poker or sportsbetting or even online casino etc?
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02-18-2015 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
Hi. So you are saying don't even worry about this online poker regulation issue then at all? Thus if anything happens won't be at least 1 year as well? I'm thinking it probably will be few years at least if anything?


Also most importantly if anything does happen, will it be every gambling site whether poker or sportsbetting or even online casino etc?
As I explained before, the poker theme became important in the new bill because the owner of Caliente wants to be the only online poker site in the country. The skin would be the same used in iPoker site, I don't know if we should worry but the fact is that the only thing more important than money in this country are political debts, and the president owes a lot to the owner of Caliente.

The estimate is six months but could be so much more. Every poker, sb o casino site with servers outside of Mexico would be affected.
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03-11-2015 , 10:48 PM
Don't know if everybody knows but there's going to be a WSOP-C stop next year at Monterrey, at Casino Jubilee. At this time Jubilee is not saying much because they don't want much attention. There going to be the first casino in Mexico operating with everything under the new bill, at least that's what they say. But here comes something not many people is taliking about: live taxes.

One casino in Mexico City is actually taxing players in cash games and tournaments. They are taking 6% for federa taxes 1% for local taxes and %2 for using their casino. In tournaments they are also taking 10% of the winnings. If this continue the chances of having big tournaments in Mexico are quite big. Thoughts?
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04-01-2015 , 11:54 PM
Hi everyone, the new gamin law will be discussed from september the first to the fifteenth.
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04-02-2015 , 12:09 AM
Thanks for the continued updates somesortabull

<<< Someone's heart sank upon seeing this thread bumped - given that they'd just today completed a full-time cross-border move (hoping to get at least 6 good poker months in).
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06-01-2015 , 08:17 AM
anything new on the bill? does it include sportsbetting?
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06-01-2015 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Muddy7
anything new on the bill? does it include sportsbetting?
Unsurprisingly, I haven't heard anything about it since last year. That the govt was going to discuss an online gaming bill was discussed for about a year before they actually discussed it, now it's been 6+(?) months since then as far as I can tell.

Somesortabull posted that they are going to discuss it in September. Not sure if he means Sept 2015?

Part of my post from last year that I think was deleted for linking to something was:

Until everything is fully passed and implemented and/or there is a statement put out by Stars/FTP, my humble advice would be to try not to worry too much about speculation and doomsday scenarios as things can change quickly. We all tend to find out about the most important developments in the industry immediately after they happen, which don't ever seem to be what anyone is necessarily expecting. A few scenarios that come to mind are Black Friday, Skrill pulling out of Canada and especially the dynamics with PokerStars (buying Full Tilt, selling to Amaya, withdrawing from grey markets, etc).


We something major happens, I think it will get out there pretty quickly. Until then, probably advisable to proceed with life as usual.
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06-01-2015 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gramps
Thanks for the continued updates somesortabull

<<< Someone's heart sank upon seeing this thread bumped - given that they'd just today completed a full-time cross-border move (hoping to get at least 6 good poker months in).
as someone whose been living in mexico since a little before black friday and intends to grow old/die here i hate seeing this thread bumped, always causes mini panic attacks
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06-07-2015 , 10:29 PM
Curious for anyone that can answer - is this latest election (and the PRI's lessening (?) grip on power) mean anything on the regulations likely to come out of the gambling bill?

I.e., less favorable to a certain dog-loving casino owner, etc.

Spoiler:
Figure the answer is not much of anything, but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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08-03-2015 , 06:02 PM
Has anyone heard anymore about this?
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08-05-2015 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by -Zatoichi-
Has anyone heard anymore about this?
Just saw this: https://www.codigopoker.com/noticias...-el-congelador

If I understand right online poker will be under .mx domain, will need to be related with a phyiscal mexican based casino, and will operate under their currency, what probably means it will only be possible to play under mexicans what would mean that poker will die over there.
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08-05-2015 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerpan1
Just saw this: https://www.codigopoker.com/noticias...-el-congelador

If I understand right online poker will be under .mx domain, will need to be related with a phyiscal mexican based casino, and will operate under their currency, what probably means it will only be possible to play under mexicans what would mean that poker will die over there.
Yes, that's a good summary of it. They also state that Sept & Oct will be critical months for the law (elections?) and that the changes are so radical that they wouldn't expect the law to actually go into place until about 6 months after that. So you figure that if the law passes, then come Spring time poker would be radically different in Mexico.
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08-06-2015 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim_Baem
Yes, that's a good summary of it. They also state that Sept & Oct will be critical months for the law (elections?) and that the changes are so radical that they wouldn't expect the law to actually go into place until about 6 months after that. So you figure that if the law passes, then come Spring time poker would be radically different in Mexico.
I honestly believe they will take at the very least one more year to regulate the market in Mexico.
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08-06-2015 , 06:39 PM
just posting to have under my subscribed threads. praying for mexican inefficiency to prevail here
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08-06-2015 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund
just posting to have under my subscribed threads. praying for mexican inefficiency to prevail here
Yeah, I mean I hate to stereotype, but something tells me nothing fast is going to happen around this. I, for one, am continuing my plans to move to Mexico and get myself established there to play online with PStars. This article hasn't really slowed me down.
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