Thanks for the article .... The damn bill is 118 pages long, my Spanish is a bit rusty, so ... where did you glean the part about ring-fencing the Mexico market ? (I am not saying it is not there, I just did not see it.)

lol

(my drink just squirted out my nose)

What's a good estimate on the # of players from America who have moved to Mexico to play ?

I also wonder the same for Canada, and/or London

1 poker player per 35K Mexicans. Wild Guess-timate

....I just can't see the Mexican government caring too much if 100 young Gringos move back to the USA.....so the arguments I see here, trying to convince local lawmakers, would be meaningless to them.

Are we talking hundreds, or thousands of players ?

I would guess closer to hundred, but don't know.....

After Black Friday it was probably low 4 figs, but now maybe 3 figs. Numbers are just a guess. But we're also not including all the Mexicans themselves who play online poker.

The government and country locally/business will be better off financially with a non-segregated (UK model) pool imo and it's not close.

under 4 figures but closer to 4 figs than 2

The issue isn't that. It's that whatever market they think exists in their country for them to tax, is basically all Americans who will just leave if they ring fence Stars.

cliffs on likely enforcement of this? they've been talking about this for quite a bit more than a year now iirc. i remember it was a "we'll probably have to deal with this eventually" thing in the rosarito skype group like early/mid 2013. everyone always just goes lolmexico and thinks it wont happen any time soon. which has rung true thusfar obv, seeing how we're basically in 2015 now.

but yeah was gonna head down to PDC for a month in jan and very much enjoy that if i feel like taking a few days to grind stars i can just hop in the car and drive 2 hours across the border (socal obv) to get there. the idea that now it'd have to be like costa rica or something at the closest or hours and hours away... ****..


sounds like remoting a smurf account is fast becoming (lolalreadywas) the best option for non us facing sites........ so so so sigh tho imo.

The current tax rate is 30%, although the expectation - as I've reported previously in pokerfuse, is that it will remain at 30%, it could still change as some of the large casino organizations in Mexico are lobbying hard.

Miguel Angel Ochoa Sanchez, President of the Association of Industry Entertainment Games “It’s the most expensive industry in Mexico, there is no other that has such a high tax burden and that stimulates the famous money laundering, I say this with no intention of defending casinos. In fact, money laundering is not feasible in legal casinos.”

I'm not going to point fingers, but a certain extremely wealthy Mexican casino owner, is a former politician and well connected with the current government. There is real possibility that taxes on online poker could end up at less than 30% in the next finance bill.

Taxes have not been written into the new law, because taxes are determined by the Ley de Ingresos de la Federación.

Might be worth actually doing some research before saying something is not true.

And finally, the President is not going to sign the law in a week or so.

Senate President Luis Miguel Barbosa has said that there won't be a Senate vote on the gaming bill in this session-he's delaying the vote on the gaming bill, the mobility bill and the constitutional changes until after the New Year.

Earliest possible implementation date - September 2015.


In fact so far everything you have said is total ****

Are you seriously suggesting the number of online poker players in Mexico has any bearing on the state of the nation?

I have no idea how much we stimulate or don't stimulate the economy. Some of us only come to party for 1-2 weeks.. others stay and start a family here lol (more rare ; )

Let's all agree that non-segregated is better for everyone. : )

This article confirms what you've posted, but I don't know who they are. What was your source? That sounds reasonable, and legit if coming from the Senate President.

http://calvinayre.com/2014/12/09/bus...ws-until-2015/

Sounds even more reasonable since the session ends December 15th according to that article. When does the senate return to session?

It's a disaster if they tax at 30% of rake paid in mexico, the UK charges 15% after rakeback, and most sites responded by refusing UK players or reducing rakeback by 15% (not 15% of your rakeback, 15% of your total rakepaid).

Nothing is exact, but what is exact is the fact that the people I know are directly connected to the people in the Mex Govt. So, like I have said a few times, believe what you want, but I'm confident that the people telling me this are correct and Mexico is going to be an open market and not closed off to just Mexico. I've noticed that most of the people arguing the info I have are the people who wrote articles on this lol, and I'm mainly trying to let poker players know that they can relax, nothing is happening anytime soon, and when it does it will be fine...I don't care about your stories being true or false. Talk to you all soon/see you at the tables

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong, about the market size, licensing and potential growth.

What is the population of Mexico ? (A rhetorical question, look it up if you think your "issue" has any validity.) How does that compare to the number of transplanted gringo grinders ?

The proposed legislation has a much broader focus than "poker" by the way.

There also will be a lot of lobbying between now and the likely date projected for a Senate vote next year.

If Caliente is concerned about their casino profits and Stars getting a piece of that, then Mexico could just request Stars to block casino games for anyone in Mexico as they do for Canadians no?

Lol, u saying that because of this twit??, if so, I really doubt that senator was really intending to meet him or take him srsly.

See lots of posts here talking about the effects to online poker with this new law, like if the more than 100 pages talked about online poker, when in reality onine poker is just such a small piece of this new law imo.

Lol at guys saying "what about all the $ the poker players in PDC inject on the local economy"

Btw, how can the girl posting for the mexican pokernews blog have only like 2 posts on 2p2??, if she really wants to do a gud job, she should be coming here way more often.

I am saying it because he told me he was seeing one. I don't know what else to tell you.

Any update on the situation? People speaking to senators/president?

Maybe Tyler

just drop by to say even tough there arent that many mexican born players grinding the mid/high stakes, there are plenty of mexicans as myself trying to climb up the stakes and plenty of recreational players in micros / low stakes.

I just really hope they dont kill the game for us, dont segregate the player pool and the tax and rake doesnt go crazy to the point the games are unlikely to be beaten.

Im a "semipro" as poker isnt my main source of income, i have a 2k usd monthly job, but poker as low as nl25 already represents over 1k usd. monthly, So thats a great hit for many of us.

Last but not least mexican market is a growing market, we have plenty of adds in the streets and tv por pokerstars and ftp, so i really hope pokerstars and some other poker sites dont dump the market when the regulation comes.

DEF* Tyler

Can anyone tell me, if the worst case scenario goes ahead, when will the bill take effect?

Will it still be possible to play as normal in January, February and March 2015?

I'm hoping to book flights soon.

You'll have until at least the end of August