You were the one to call a 300 word post "long assed," so I shortened future ones for you to be more bite sized.

Anyway, you seem to think that saying I did some large group format coaching 10 years ago is some deep, dark gotcha thing. No idea why, as I would have done large group coaching at the time if it made me good money. Why saying "mass coaching" is akin to a finishing move in a video game to you is puzzling, but whatever, everyone has their things. To avoid wasting more time, I give you congratulations on your heat and utter destruction that you waited a decade to do. After you cool off from all the heat feel free to read the thread I linked - it is actually entertaining.

All the best.

since the american frontier there have been 'cards in the air' literally nonstop until the present. even earlier if you count some of the prototypical variants. poker came from humble origins, and if the world ended people would probably still be playing poker in underground bunkers by candlelight.

is the online ecosystem really tough and treacherous right now? YES! Is live poker doing well? YES! Is the ecosystem still growing? YESH!!

Even online there are still big edges and profit to be had. No its not like it used to be, but that doesnt mean poker cant continue to evolve and grow to new and exciting places. New booms can still happen, in fact I would actually say that a small one has occurred under our noses: with the surge of NL/MTT popularity that twitch streamers and youtube vloggers created. Poker is more than no limit, there are many beautiful variants (PLO&mix <3) and undiscovered variants

If I remember correctly you're a coach aren't you, so it's in your self interest to spin poker in a positive light. There being big edges online and profits to be had, I am not sure how far you can take this.

As far as I recall, the aim of playing poker back then was to win millions or at least high six figures. Now whether if that person was a degenerate and lost it all that was their concern. Now the aim when I see people play is to win thousands or etch out a living. The boom that poker had is dead, profits to be made online aren't really there cash game wise, when it's mostly people from lower income countries playing to make a living on site site e.g russia, belarus, brazil.

Playing live or large prize pool MTTs online consistently is really the only way to make any serious money but guess what? You need money already to have a large enough bankroll to even play in the first place. How will you build that bankroll against nitscipts and bumhunters playing for a living from lower income countries online?

I won't even go into the vast amount of information around to learn poker to a high degree in a short period of time which can reduce the edges for everyone online along with preflop charts and softwares, but please, where are the large edges?

As for the vloggers potentially increasing popularity of live NL MTTs? If that really happens that will in the long run just decrease everyone's EV partaking in tournaments with a ridiculous amount of entries as variance will likely rise.

You must seriously hate yourself if you're planning on making a decent living playing online poker in 2019. The goal should be to build a database of as many hands as you can/plug leaks online and then moving to live play.

You know it is truly dead when you witness a showdown where both players chop holding dead man's hands.

what?

increased variance doesn't mean EV decreases, wtf are you on about

False.

It's 100% bots.

I got out about 2 years ago. The bots are unbeatable and that's already been proven. They beat the ****ing best players in the world. C'mon now, it's not the sites cutting back on nit rakeback rewards

The demise is obviously player driven specifically bots software aids/cheaters ghosting grind houses low stakes pros training sites etc etc

Sites are just responding to market changes and shock horror trying to profit from it all

Sorry, miscommunication in what I meant.

Do you still donate I mean play poker?

Majority of online now consists of Nits/bots and stat tracking software. ie: simple online 1/2 game if it raises to 7 everyone will fold unless they have AK or JJ and better. Then there's the consistent hit and runners... Play in any room outside of online and you'll get half the table to call with those bets. At my local room 1/2 plays like 2/5 online with normal raises to 10-15 sometimes 20+ and will almost always get at least another call. Online is so boring now... unless it's like heads up. Such a nitfest. Online may not be dead but it's so boring imo. I was playing a cash game where I knew this player was a bot, they'd always raise on the cut off or on button. No matter what, if I re-raised they insta-folded. No matter what, even if they getting pot odds. I must've had about 10+ times I would do simple min-reraise and every time they folded preflop. One time it was 4 bet- I'm guessing that time the bot actually had a hand. Other players were too nitty and multi-tabling to make a move and understand what was happening. That was and probably be last time I play online.

online poker is a last resort, or at least, not a way to earn a living. 5 10 live in beatable, 5 10 online is like, sweet Jesus, ivey has a lot of kids. watching 1 2 euro pros make barely enough to pay bills a month, grinding 8 plus hours a day.. it just isnt appealing, is it. barely pay the bills or live on the street. thats a real gamble. MTTs take as much skill as cash, so big fields are a waste of money for 75% of people ever to grind em. I understand the darren moons.. but that was Allah invoking his super powers.

no.. lol if you play 1 2, you can good or bad, its a waste of time online with the scripts, delayed payouts, and all the hud crap. You go to bodog and the games are good at 25 50c and down, which is more than i can say for stars. I do well getting it in good, when i focus on MTTs and not PLO. you can be good and get no where, if your financial reasoning sucks turd. I got my dad planning all the tournaments i play in montreal, to have a shot to come a head. if youre good, if you have no money skills, its pointless to try. trust me.. i am pretty damn good at MTTs, but after 9 years of flailing at riches at PLO, which is impossible, im left with nothing but 1k a month in cash outs. lol god, i suck at managing money. i could be doug ****ing polk or broke living if i wasnt a degenerate every time i got behind a keyboard. lol

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Tldr you don't care for the online grind, so must be dead for everyone.

they should ban gto stragegys online.

"5 10 online is like, sweet Jesus, ivey has a lot of kids" is one of the funniest poker comments I have ever seen

Try living in NYC where any reasonable live poker (tournament especially) is 3 hours away and this state has the most stringent laws re online.

I don't trust underground games and just want a casino to play in. Resorts World is about 20 minutes from me.

But the one game beatable in the house they do not offer.

And that game would be...……..?

Poker....

^^^^

Well, it is. There isn't a grind left. There are spots that are profitable, like SCOOPs and cash games during and just after them, but most cash spots are dead-dead-dead. You might be able to win, but you won't win more than you pay and rake. That's the new deal for pros now.

Mtts are still good on Sundays. The best strategy is just to play Sunday and work the rest of the week at something else. For some that's live.

I am playing 1-2 and 2-5 for fun sometimes and there are terrible players around every day, but the way they are terrible is not too exploitable when you consider the rake.

Resorts World offers poker

The too tight preflop players are generally not good players. One makes money by folding and stealing additionally to playing better post flop, too.

Playing live, the blinds might need to be 10x higher compared to 4-8-tabling online, depending on form, limit, skill level. You prefer one live table or 4 tables online? One should move up online and play fewer tables.

Live games are for medium limits and up and when you don't feel up to it online for skill/ability reasons or want some rest.

Not according to their website

poker is not dead its just limping, if you want to make good money off poker the ship has sail but you can still fly to the moon if you buy gold