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Old 01-12-2016, 03:21 AM   #1
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Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

This is a theory I have based on my limited experience at the micros.

I think most people here would agree that the majority of players at the micro stakes are calling stations or nits. Playing against these types of players is incredibly boring. You have to play straightforward abc poker to succeed over a large sample.

No one gets into poker because they want to nit it up like David Grey. I'm positive this is turning away tons of people. The dumb ones won't realize how to beat the game and eventually give up, and the smart ones are likely to give up because the way to beat the game is incredibly boring.

I don't really know why I'm writing this, but I'm just really frustrated with my experience playing online. I know I can do what it takes to beat 2nl, but it's sucking the life out of me and turning my away from the game. You literally can't bluff in a lot of these games were fish regularly call down with bottom pair, weak kicker, no draw. I really wanted try and get up a few levels and prove to be a winner over a decent sample size, but now I'd rather just stick to playing with friends.

I'd love to hear other people's opinion on the microstakes. I really just want someome to say, "same bro I hate those nits and calling stations". I'm steaming right now!
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Old 01-12-2016, 04:38 AM   #2
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

I recognize what you're saying for sure. It's not quite as dead as you describe, but I do think the micro's at this point in time don't really allow for much variety. I mean I pull off the occasional fairly big bluff or big call, but in general it's kinda ABC, wait for hand, get it in. I still get enjoyment from it because:
1. I win money and whilst it certainly isn't any impressive amount, I have been able to buy a small vacation from it on a couple of occasions now.
2. I play 4 zoom tables at the same time, which allows me to constantly at least be involved in some sort of action, preventing my brain from drying out. Not claiming that 4 zoom is alot, there's probably people doing more, but it's enough to keep it somewhat interesting.
3. I have a highly competitive attitude, to even the smaller pots can get me somewhat excited. This also works against me cause I can get pretty tilted by variance/terrible plays that end up working out for villain.
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Old 01-12-2016, 10:55 AM   #3
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

well problem at mocro is that thay call to many, that call are stupi and with no sense! russian will call any hands, thay will call allin with 2% chance of win! and that should be god for god players, but problem is that thay will hit more than thay shuld, and u will have 5bb/100 but in real u must have 10bb/ 100 .. Worst hand win to much
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Old 01-12-2016, 11:15 AM   #4
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Stop trolling CRM
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Old 01-12-2016, 12:40 PM   #5
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Not sure if a troll or not, but bluffing the fish has never worked, regardless of the stakes.

Remember that hand from High stakes poker, where David Peat tried to bluff billionaire Phil Ruffin...?
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Old 01-12-2016, 01:57 PM   #6
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

what is trolling?? when u said tha i lpse 10 in a row wit KK, when last 50 handa with KK u are in -$?? when u lose every 3b with KK?? and when u want to post graph and hands to prove that thay dont let u??
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Old 01-12-2016, 03:13 PM   #7
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Goddamn I actually think there's some truth to the op (ie poker at the micro's isn't that interesting most of the time. Though x/r shoving my 76s fd on the turn in a 3b pot and getting a fold was pretty sweet.) but please don't make this a whine thread about how you're so unlucky and how everyone is a donk but they still win.

Actually it's probably doomed to turn into the latter so maybe I was a donk for responding in the first place.
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:02 PM   #8
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

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Playing against these types of players is incredibly boring.

I don't really know why I'm writing this, but I'm just really frustrated with my experience playing online. I know I can do what it takes to beat 2nl, but it's sucking the life out of me and turning my away from the game.
I read above and definitely defined online pokerz to me during the mid-late 2000s. Making money yes, but a pretty boring hobby at times.


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You literally can't bluff in a lot of these games were fish regularly call down with bottom pair, weak kicker, no draw.
Find all the friggin' articles you can on extracting value with a light equity advantage.

*OP, you can't complain about pokerz by saying I can't win by bluffing....when another door is wide open.
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:53 PM   #9
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

You're an idiot OP.

Had to be said.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:33 PM   #10
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Stop trolling CRM
I'm not trolling. I'm just not having fun playing online poker recently and have no one to talk about poker with.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:45 PM   #11
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I read above and definitely defined online pokerz to me during the mid-late 2000s. Making money yes, but a pretty boring hobby at times.


Then I read this:


Find all the friggin' articles you can on extracting value with a light equity advantage.

*OP, you can't complain about pokerz by saying I can't win by bluffing....when another door is wide open.
You're absolutely right from a EV standpoint. Poker is more than just about making money to me though; entertainment is a huge reason why I play and spend time improving my game too.

The point I made about not being able to bluff wasn't about how I'm losing, unlucky or how I don't understand why my strategy isn't working. I just think the changes I'd have to make to my game to succeed at 2nl at a high level will bore me to death. 2nl is like playing bingo poker.
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:50 PM   #12
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You're an idiot OP.

Had to be said.
If you identified something I specifically said and then explained why you found it to be idiotic I'd find your comment helpful.

As of right now I merely find it revealing of your intelligence and character, not mine.
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Old 01-13-2016, 04:49 AM   #13
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

OP, if you find poker boring, play higher stakes, more tables or PLO.
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Old 01-13-2016, 07:06 AM   #14
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OP, if you find poker boring, play higher stakes, more tables or PLO.
Thanks for the suggestions. I started playing some 6max PLO recently and it's a ton of action.
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Old 01-13-2016, 12:07 PM   #15
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Sounds like OP is frustrated his 40/30/15 playstyle ain't crushing souls. Try 50/10/5, that should really spice things up.
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Old 01-13-2016, 01:42 PM   #16
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Play live Big-O-8 (PLO H/L 5 card) with ****ty players, then tell me poker still sucks
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Old 01-13-2016, 03:18 PM   #17
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

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The point I made about not being able to bluff wasn't about how I'm losing, unlucky or how I don't understand why my strategy isn't working. I just think the changes I'd have to make to my game to succeed at 2nl at a high level will bore me to death. TRUE 2nl is like playing bingo poker VERY FALSE.
Sounds like you are an action junkie. NLHE micros isn't for you. HE especially isn't for you.

Stay with Omaha.
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:50 PM   #18
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

i'm sorry that ur opponents are better than u thought,
better luck at ur next hobby
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Old 01-13-2016, 10:18 PM   #19
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Value Bet
Don't Bluff
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:35 PM   #20
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

# Recreational poker player starts thread explaining that poker is boring and hes quitting

# Quickly pounced on by smug break even rakeback grinders that live with their moms saying "oh yeah? well maybe u just suck!"

# Poker continues to die

Another day in NVG
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:49 PM   #21
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

I have just read the thread you opened the day you made an account here on 2p2 in mid-Nov: "Degen Fish down $600 Canadian on PokerStars" https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...stars-1571207/

From that thread I read this: "...forget how much $ I had at this point, but I think when I deposited $68 CAD online I owed $400 to Visa and I get $300 per month at most". Well you got outstanding advice in that thread & so you changed your approach & moved down to 2nl & started to employ a sensible BRM strategy [I assume the latter]. Now you're bored!

I don't think you have the discipline to succeed at this game yet & hence you're getting frustrated. You sound like a guy who may still be at school & living at home with a small income who wants to pursue a high stakes dream with an adolescent [no offence intended] tilt monkey mentality. The advice you've been given here to try games with more action [PLO etc] is bad advice FOR YOU because the variance is too high for your BR & undisciplined mindset. If you can't conquer 2nl then you're live prey at other games. PokerStars is reg infested swamp even at the bottom of the food chain & within a week the HUD monsters will have you marked - they'll drain your BR for you starting week 2.

MY ADVICE:

[1] The most important bit of advice:
Get yourself a pool of like-minded starters in nanostakes cash poker to mutually sweat play & encourage each other through friendly competitive targets

[2] The rest:

Get HUD s/ware

Stay at 2nl & set a target of a minimum 30,000 hands there

Only move up to 5nl when you have increased your BR by a factor of x2.5 [through profit not re-depositing!]

Play as per the advice you've already received in the degen thread

If you're bored then you're doing something wrong in your game maybe - going on autopilot & not thinking about table dynamics IS BORING so don't go on autopilot. Have you missed a value bet in that spot? etc etc

You are not a thinking player. You are an aggressive, wild player getting stomped by people who wait for you to make big mistakes such as bluffing at the nanostakes - so curb that fancy play syndrome you've seen at High Stakes Poker!

Good luck to you sir!

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Old 01-13-2016, 11:51 PM   #22
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

I just deposited and started playing micros. I think that NLHE is boring in general. I multi tabled for the first time today and that is the only thing that makes NLHE better. Once you truly learn how to play, 90% of the plays are standard. I love PLO though. So many more variables, I can't just go on auto pilot and play.
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:59 PM   #23
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Re: Online Poker is dying because MS is boring

Spins are quite exciting apparently.
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Old 01-14-2016, 12:14 AM   #24
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I AM A HUD MONSTA
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Old 01-14-2016, 12:40 AM   #25
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I love the random David Grey diss
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