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Old 10-24-2013, 01:02 AM   #26
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

The LGA is totally worthless and never in its entire history has helped any player.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:10 AM   #27
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Could you elaborate a bit on that? Have they just not responded to anyones complaints ever?

I find it hard to believe that if they have a phone number and multiple types of complaints pages... but then again nothing would shock me anymore with regulators.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:17 AM   #28
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There have been problems with several sites licensed by the LGA and I know of no case where the LGA did anything. You can search the forums for "LGA" and find several cases of LGA licensed sites that did not pay their players.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:09 AM   #29
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Also, be wary of them opening in the US Market, it is my belief that the operator, Ongame, needs to be held responsible for their skins and should not just brush it off as they have.
Agree, we need to leverage the power we have and this seems like a good place to start.

Its also important that we keep our priorities straight. First and foremost I want my money back. Putting these guys in prison as quickly as possible might not be smartest thing to go for first in that sense, but rather a good #2 on the list.

I am owed a little less than 10k btw.
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:04 AM   #30
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they don't have the money to pay cashouts and are backed up with ~4 months of cashouts. they are trying to put together money over time to pay players out. the site is still open and raking. they are still looking to resurrect the situation and stay in the online poker business going forward. how does going to the authorities help?
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:28 AM   #31
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Seabeast, if what you're saying is true, that is not an acceptable way of recouping players money. If they don't have the assets to pay players, they need to either find outside funding or face bankruptcy. They can't be "gambling" with new depositors' money in the hopes of eventually pay off old ones.
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Old 10-24-2013, 05:50 AM   #32
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Could you elaborate a bit on that? Have they just not responded to anyones complaints ever?

I find it hard to believe that if they have a phone number and multiple types of complaints pages... but then again nothing would shock me anymore with regulators.
Their standard mo is to pull the license and say that, as they don't license XYZcheatingcasino they can't do anything.

They have never prosecuted any of their many licensees who have stolen players money.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:12 AM   #33
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Their standard mo is to pull the license and say that, as they don't license XYZcheatingcasino they can't do anything.

They have never prosecuted any of their many licensees who have stolen players money.
True and not true.

In general the LGA has been horrible at helping players obtain any money from insolvent skins, mainly because their team who checked bank/skrill/neteller etc balances of the skins have been too easy to fool, making the LGA only aware of any liquidity issues as soon as it was too late. The team were simply not educated well enough in how to use the master backoffice access they are provided from all skins that have a LGA license and never understood exactly what amount of money the sites actually had in player funds and should have in their bank/skrill/neteller accounts. This screams of bad management and despite desperate attempts from the LGA to improve this lately, it seems like they still lack this a lot. However it is also hard to know if the sites lie about what amount of money they have available, what settlement payments they need to receive and so on.

That being said, the LGA actually stepped up more than usual in the PIV case and helped many players retrieve parts of their bankroll and in some cases their entire bankroll, despite PIV not having any funds available. This happened because the LGA for once actually did a good investigation and threatened to prosecute the owners of PIV if they didn't pay the players.

Let's hope that they can continue doing this, even though i seriously doubt it.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:10 AM   #34
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they don't have the money to pay cashouts and are backed up with ~4 months of cashouts. they are trying to put together money over time to pay players out. the site is still open and raking. they are still looking to resurrect the situation and stay in the online poker business going forward. how does going to the authorities help?
I tend to agree with SEABEAST, but not wholeheartedly.

I have 16,000 Euro tied up on Poker Mambo. I suspect that the exposure that Goalwin has to the Revolution Network debacle (via poker mambo) has contributed greatly to Goalwins poor liquidity.

They might need some time to resurrect some of this imbalance, and by everyone not playing and complaining, threatening and ruining Goalwins brand and reputation aka (Lock Poker), Goalgamings future looks bleak and this might not be in our best interests. As we all want to get PAID what we are owed! Lock Poker needs to be held ***** accountable for their gross misconduct, and tainting many other companies/skins.

What's the better outcome to eventually receive our money?? If they're declared bankrupt, do any of us get paid??
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:13 AM   #35
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Sounds like the lock thread
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:43 AM   #36
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Also, clause 58 from earlier legislation:

"Part XVI
Offences and Penalties
Contraventions,
fines and penalties.
Amended by:
L.N. 426 of 2007.
58. Any contravention of these regulations shall be considered
an offence against the Act and any person so guilty of an offence
shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine (multa) of not less than six
thousand and nine hundred and eighty-eight euro and twelve cents
(€6,988.12) and not more than two hundred and thirty-two
thousand and nine hundred and thirty-seven euro and thirty-four
cents (€232,937.34) or to imprisonment for a term of not more than
two years,
or to both such fine and imprisonment"

This is not a toothless authority, if it's pressed to act.
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the goalwin guys are owed a lot of money from the fallout of play2b. it's taking them a long time to catch up and to find a way to start paying people out on goalwin.

imo this thread is a very bad idea. you can't pressure someone into paying a debt they don't have the money to pay. if you ruin their reputation you reduce their incentive to avoid bankruptcy and find a way to pay players out to keep the site afloat. seems like going public with this stuff shoots us all in the foot.
I agree with you on some of this Seabeast, but how long do you reasonably give a site? Also, you are talking like how us poker players have come to be these days...kind of accepting that they can just do this to us. THEY TEAMED UP with Play2b or PokerMambo or what not, it is THEIR fault that they are in the debt even if it is due to a skin THEY accepted.

THey also need to give us better responses, they're generic responses do not help, they need a solid and concrete plan that we all deserve to be informed about.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:51 AM   #37
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

yeah fair call, some communication would certainly be nice
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:55 AM   #38
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Kinda hard for them to communicate that they are broke and don't have the money to pay out.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:08 AM   #39
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

In summation:

-Goalwin is owed money, they are at fault for joining a troubled skin

-OnGame just does no sort of thing to help and is entering the NJ market with a clean reputation

-It is best off if we let them resolve it most likely, but they need to give concrete and reasonable plans instead of yanking us daily with generic emails

-The LGA does not stand by the law, I just called and was told "the whole office is at lunch, call back"...this after she repeated GoalGaming a few times to make sure that was what I was calling about.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:41 AM   #40
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

Is there any ongame rep on twoplustwo that anyone knows of? I understand it is not only their network involved, but some clarity would be appreciated.

Just spoke to LGA btw, told them my friends and I have been denied payment for months for hundreds of thousands of dollars, they say to call tommorow at 9 their time, and "hopefully" someone will be there to talk about it. Not the best news, but I won't pass judgement until the hearsay I've heard becomes apparent to me.

Also, seabeast, the reason you are wrong is because afaik there has never been a single instance of a site being able to rake its way out of the hole. Ever. If there was any precedent I might be inclined to believe you because believe me I want to.

Agree with JR, we all want to be paid first and foremost, but they need to give us some sort of real information/time frames. And they'd better do it soon, a lot of innocent people very wronged itt. And we most definitely have a right to talk about it. Almost every person ITT is an HS pro whom I know for a fact does not deposit, the health of the site has nothing to do with this thread at all. 2+2 is still a very closed community when it comes to a book/casino like this, and we probably have some of the largest balances on the site.

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Old 10-24-2013, 09:57 AM   #41
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

owed $10k from them since June.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:01 AM   #42
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If they're declared bankrupt, do any of us get paid??
This thread has absolutely 0 influence on whether or not goalwin goes bankrupt. The sooner people understand that, the better.

No one is calling the police, no one is suing them. This is, so far, only a 3 page discussion with very few views between some of the highest balance holders on the site as to what to do next. This conversation needs to be taking place.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:47 AM   #43
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

Stopped playing there nearly a year ago when cashouts stopped being instant. Guessing that was a good decision.

I have two of their support guys one of whom is apparently a part owner of the site on Skype, i'll direct them to the thread and see if they have any interest in responding

Edit: done, if they respond in any way to me i'll post in the thread

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Old 10-24-2013, 12:53 PM   #44
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Nevermind, turns out the guys I know were just affiliates for goalwin, for some reason I had it in my head that they were actually involved with the company.

glgl to everyone with money stuck there, hope the site pulls through and everyone gets paid
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #45
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This thread has absolutely 0 influence on whether or not goalwin goes bankrupt. The sooner people understand that, the better.

No one is calling the police, no one is suing them. This is, so far, only a 3 page discussion with very few views between some of the highest balance holders on the site as to what to do next. This conversation needs to be taking place.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:20 PM   #46
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Re: ONGAME/Goalwin/PokerMambo Cashout Issues for a long time

Goalgaming is the company behind gutshot poker. you will find a thread on 2+2 and pokerfraudalert about what happened to gutshot poker players (and pokerhuis-players). its pretty much the same now with goalwin. chances that you get your money back are pretty low imo. even curacao suspended gutshots poker license last year and compared to them the LGA is a serious organisation.

to argue that greed get people to play on a ongame skin is just stupid. but given what happened to multiple sites in the past I strongly recommend to try to find out everything possible about a site and the company behind it before deposit money somewhere.
I dont know when the op started playing there but when i google "scandal" and "goalgaming" the 2+2 thread about gutshot comes in second and that one is from august 2012.
I know that wont help you, but hopefully other players get more cautious in the future.
Best of luck that this one will have a happy ending.

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Old 10-24-2013, 05:56 PM   #47
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I´m owed a 5 digit sum as well. I´ve sent several emails and been in contact with the LGA. Speculating over our chances seem futile. But I´m keen on any ideas to go forward in pressuring them to some sort of decision.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:30 PM   #48
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Stopped playing there nearly a year ago when cashouts stopped being instant. Guessing that was a good decision.

I have two of their support guys one of whom is apparently a part owner of the site on Skype, i'll direct them to the thread and see if they have any interest in responding

Edit: done, if they respond in any way to me i'll post in the thread
ty for asking though!

Yeah, if anyone stumbling on this knows anyone involved in ongame/play2b/mambo/goalwin (even as an affiliate btw, sometimes they have a clearer line) whatever try and let them know.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:59 PM   #49
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Yeah Finnish people are owed tons as well. I know some ppl in the business and what Seabeast posted about the pokermambo etc stuff is also true. I'd say Goalwin money is roughly worth maybe 40-60% of its value right now, definitely a much better chance to get paid than Lock for example. They are still a sportsbetting company with reasonable income from those too I think (?) so even that the sum they owe is astronomic I think there's definitely a fair chance they'll be able to pay up. They definitely aren't/weren't intentionally stealing unlike the Lock scums, not to defend them or anything obv the situation sucks. I also kinda agree with the Seabeast post about threads not helping, I'm all for openness and transparency but given that the situation is what it is I don't think there's much they can say (the first moment they say "we don't have funds to pay at the moment" it's basically GG for them), so any statement they make is also saying GG to your money imo. Not saying it's great to not have these threads in the open either but just something to consider.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:35 PM   #50
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LGA is a joke. They will do absolutely nothing for you. See the Minted/Everleaf poker thread. There's been at lest 3-4 decent sized poker rooms crash and not pay back players under their authority. Contact them but don't expect anything other than some form email.

This thread absolutely should be here. These scam sites deserve to be outed as much as possible.
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