well Ivey was 10th 2003 in main event 2004 he was like final 2-3 tables and final tabled it few years ago. Just those 3 very deep run in main event last 9 years has me to believe Ivey is also best no limit mtt player in the world. Also with his WPT final table record most of everyone, so do you think its far off to think this?

It's Hellmuth 46th final table, very impressive for 89 cashes.

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http://www.wsop.com/2012/live-video/...aspx?TID=12118

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Pity there's no hole cams I'd definitely like to see what kind of hands Deeb is folding here

Far off, absolutely not. Still somewhat off though. I might be mistaken here, but isn't all of Hellmuths bracelets NLHE and all of Ivey's non-NLHE? Sure, Hellmuth is still a very elite level mixed games player and Ivey is a very elite level NLHE player, but the discrepancy between the poker forms they hold bracelets in is hard to discount imo.

(edit: when I speak of NLHE in this post, I'm talking about the large field low(er) buyin ones)

Its interesting to talk about not going into any bad mouthing. Large fields you say ofcourse you cant go into any larger fields then main event right? 2003 Ivey lost sick pot 10 left vs Moneymaker and would be favorite take it down if that Ace didnt hit river for Moneymaker. 2004 he maybe made a rather poor play get knocked out but still was a cooler with 2-3 tables left JJ vs Blacks KK. Then he final tabled the year Cada won and lost to that donk ak vs aq also bad luck. Hellmuth has no Deep runs in main event since the boom started Ivey has at least 3 maybe more iam forgetting. Then wpt there Ivey has most final tables of everyone so Is there any player on this earth we can say with confidence is better in nlh mtts? I admit iam a fan of Ivey so maybe biaz but these facts looks rather strong in Iveys favors vs Hellmuth who has alot of bracelts in small fields.

wow this break music is awful

Did Shaun Deeb win yet?

Updated chip stacks for the PL Hold'em from WSOP site

Phil Ivey 1,245,000
Manuel Bevand 745,000
Ali Eslami 730,000
Andy Frankenberger 535,000
Alexander Venovski 530,000
Matt Marafioti 475,000
Daniel Weinman 380,000
Hoyt Corkins 260,000
Ryan Julius 250,000
Shaun Deeb 210,000

fwiw- im watching and haven't had a single glitch , the stream is fine. I don't know much about computers so i don't know if it matters, but im using google chrome.

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he raised 3 times and ended up folding each time