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Old 06-26-2012, 04:40 AM   #4226
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Re: ***OFFICIAL WSOP SWEAT THREAD***

K. Makes sense.
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Old 06-26-2012, 04:41 AM   #4227
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you also fail to realize that if he believes one of the other two players also holds AAxx then he could actually be a dog to the third hand...

we have no idea what factors he was thinking about
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:01 AM   #4228
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Lol yah, remember that hand 10 years ago at the WSOP when some guy said he was allin but still had chips behind? Legendary stuff.
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:16 AM   #4229
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Wouldn't you be MORE willing to fold a big hand early in the tournament while stacks are still deep enough that you can avoid the huge race?
Especially in a mixed game. Tighter/nitty early in PLO rounds makes a lot of sense. Still, this particular hand is surely a call.
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:17 AM   #4230
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Early in the night, a hand happened where Yakovenko made a wheel, but turned over the two cards he wasn't using for the wheel first. A few seconds later, he turned over the cards that showed he had a wheel and scooped the pot after slowrolling Mosseri. Mosseri was upset and picked up the chips he owed to Yakovenko and tossed them across the table. Yakovenko had pulled this move because prior to this, Mosseri was doing some unpleasant joking towards Yakovenko's play in the event.

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What a bunch of babies
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:16 AM   #4231
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Considering he tanked for 15 minutes before taking the most obvious decision, I very much doubt he has any edge at all at any game of poker.

If it is a revenge for a 2 sec slowroll from before then it's even more ******ed to make the whole table wait for 15 minutes in a tournament.
Not sure if level or if you just don't know who Abe Mosseri is
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:29 AM   #4232
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Wouldn't you be MORE willing to fold a big hand early in the tournament while stacks are still deep enough that you can avoid the huge race?
^^ this. With more than 100bb, shipping AAxx (even a good AAxx) all in pre flop in a mixed game tournament on the PLO round is not something someone like Abe, who has a skill edge, really is wild about doing.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:39 AM   #4233
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Not sure if level or if you just don't know who Abe Mosseri is
[x] Good at teh pokers
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:38 AM   #4234
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http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.206655.htm

Is this event going to be streamed later? Table with Blom and Antonius looks interesting! Sigh... looks like it's only event 44 getting streamed today.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:08 AM   #4235
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Not sure if level or if you just don't know who Abe Mosseri is
Not a level. I don't know who this Abe Mosseri is but he's certainly no poker genius.

The shove is so obvious considering
- there is dead money in the pot
- shaundeeb never has AA, he's gambooling with any 4 at this point
- the russian can and will isolate deeb with most of his range including very dominated hands like AKQT or KKxx, Mosseri can't really have AA in this spot
- in the worst case scenario where the russian also have AA and deeb a rundown, then it should be pretty much neutral ev with the dead money
- his double trap with AA worked perfectly

It's hard to guess the thinking process of a livetard in cases like this, but if he was tanking because he really thought his edge in the other games is so huge that he can allow himself to pass on +EV spots like this, then he should just fold out all hands in plo. What if he could topsetmine cheaply with his aces, and the flop came A65ss? Should he also bet fold because he could be flipping vs a wrap and a fd? It seems ******ed to have this thinking process and to register in a tournament with NL and PLO rounds.

If he was tanking because he was not sure how profitable this spot was, then it means he's like most livetards, unable to assign ranges or use basic maths .

If he had a brainfreeze (that would explain the ******ed CALL decision after thinking for 15 minutes about shoving or folding) because of the pressure of the players around the table or whatnot, then he has nothing to do in a 50k tournament.

If he was just tanking to piss off the russian, then he's just a douchebag.

Maybe I missed another scenario, but for the moment all of them are telling me this Abe Mosseri guy is not a good poker player.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:14 AM   #4236
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Deeb never has AA - lol no - That's what Max thought when he shoved A6 in the main event last year.
Deeb is gambooling with any 4 at this point - lol no
the russian can and will isolate deeb with most of his range - lol no
Mosseri can't really have AA in this spot - probably not a wise statement considering his hand
worst case is he's neutral ev - lol no
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:24 AM   #4237
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Not a level. I don't know who this Abe Mosseri is but he's certainly no poker genius.

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Maybe I missed another scenario, but for the moment all of them are telling me this Abe Mosseri guy is not a good poker player.
I'm just falling deper and deeper into this level, aint I?

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Old 06-26-2012, 11:35 AM   #4238
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Deeb never has AA - lol no - That's what Max thought when he shoved A6 in the main event last year.
Deeb is gambooling with any 4 at this point - lol no
the russian can and will isolate deeb with most of his range - lol no
Mosseri can't really have AA in this spot - probably not a wise statement considering his hand
worst case is he's neutral ev - lol no
Deeb could overlimp behind 3 guys with AA 28bb deep? LOL NO
He is gambooling with any 4... the overlimp plus shove ai line whith a shortstack is never strong and in this case JJT7ss is quite an poor hand for staking off pre in plo.
Superb spot for the russian with tons of dead money to take, I'm pretty sure he repots almost 100% of the time.
Mosseri didn't iso limpers with AA and he didn't 3bet so yeah ok he could have bad aces in this spot but it's only like 1% of hands compared to his 30% overlimping and overcalling initial range.

Sorry but have you played a single hand of plo in your life?
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:40 AM   #4239
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I'm just falling deper and deeper into this level, aint I?



Pwned I guess.

Someone can explain me now what was he thinking about in this hand.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:47 AM   #4240
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Pwned I guess.

Someone can explain me now what was he thinking about in this hand.
Maybe he doesnt want to flip for his stack so early in the tournament. Remember this is plo and not holdem.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:52 AM   #4241
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Deeb could overlimp behind 3 guys with AA 28bb deep? LOL NO
He is gambooling with any 4... the overlimp plus shove ai line whith a shortstack is never strong and in this case JJT7ss is quite an poor hand for staking off pre in plo.
Superb spot for the russian with tons of dead money to take, I'm pretty sure he repots almost 100% of the time.
Mosseri didn't iso limpers with AA and he didn't 3bet so yeah ok he could have bad aces in this spot but it's only like 1% of hands compared to his 30% overlimping and overcalling initial range.

Sorry but have you played a single hand of plo in your life?
lol I've probably played 100K hands of omaha cash. You speak in certainties and are so far off. You think the Russian is repotting to $246K 100% of the time at 600-1200 in a $50k tourney? Also, Abe could easily have anything, including good aces, as he's only called one pot sized bet preflop for $12k while sitting on a $500K stack.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:54 AM   #4242
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Pwned I guess.

Someone can explain me now what was he thinking about in this hand.
He was most likely not thinking over if it was +"EV" (in this case +chips) to get it in with his AAxx, but if it was worth the risk of losing a ton of chips when he has a pretty good edge over the field in the HORSE games
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:03 PM   #4243
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If you never seen Abe playing live b4 he was in season 1 week 12 of pokerstars the big game
http://thebiggame.pokerstars.net/episodes/s1/w12/
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #4244
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Pwned I guess.

Someone can explain me now what was he thinking about in this hand.
Ah ok, so instead of spending a few minutes to find out more about Abe you just blindly stuck to an argument you pulled out of your ass.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:11 PM   #4245
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http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.206655.htm

Is this event going to be streamed later? Table with Blom and Antonius looks interesting! Sigh... looks like it's only event 44 getting streamed today.
it's a 5 day event. today is third so i guess we have to wait until the day after tomorrow. looking at the remaining ppl the chances are good to see some heavyweights at the final table (stream)
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:12 PM   #4246
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Pwned I guess.

Someone can explain me now what was he thinking about in this hand.
Vegas and the ****ing Mirage.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:22 PM   #4247
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Not a level. I don't know who this Abe Mosseri is but he's certainly no poker genius.
He is a regular in Bobby's Room (or at least was, dunno if the action is still there or if it's moved to Aria) and was one of the biggest winners in FTP's mixed games, certainly one of the top 25 if not top 10 overall poker players in the world (likely top 10).

Foot, mouth, etcetera. Do a little research on subjects before you post as though you know what you're talking about
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #4248
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Vegas and the ****ing Mirage.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:53 PM   #4249
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nice table

452 1 John Esposito 77,000
452 2 Shaun Deeb 296,600
452 3 Dan Shak 461,400
452 4 Emtpy
452 5 John Hanson 174,000
452 6 Huck Seed 117,000
452 7 Abe Mosseri 633,100
452 8 Luke Schwartz 311,000


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Old 06-26-2012, 01:02 PM   #4250
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lol I've probably played 100K hands of omaha cash. You speak in certainties and are so far off. You think the Russian is repotting to $246K 100% of the time at 600-1200 in a $50k tourney? Also, Abe could easily have anything, including good aces, as he's only called one pot sized bet preflop for $12k while sitting on a $500K stack.
BB is 2400.
Russians range is already very tight, the only hands he may not repot are some rundowns. All the rest he pots it happilly. This is super standard. Why would shaundeeb reshove with such a weak hand if he wasn't also sure the russian will repot, creating tons of dead money for them?
And even if Mosseri is so weak in plo that he never raises aces, that's only 5 to 10% of his possible holding he could have there. Repot is automatic for the russian.

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He was most likely not thinking over if it was +"EV" (in this case +chips) to get it in with his AAxx, but if it was worth the risk of losing a ton of chips when he has a pretty good edge over the field in the HORSE games
Then why debating over it for 15minutes? If he's so good in limit games then just autofold, the topsetmining didn't work.
And why showing all the table the hand? That's basically saying "hey guys you can raise me all day long, I will not stack off in PLO with less than nuts+nut redraw"

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He is a regular in Bobby's Room (or at least was, dunno if the action is still there or if it's moved to Aria) and was one of the biggest winners in FTP's mixed games, certainly one of the top 25 if not top 10 overall poker players in the world (likely top 10).

Foot, mouth, etcetera. Do a little research on subjects before you post as though you know what you're talking about
Sorry but how could I guess based on this hand that this guy had any poker skills?
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