Well, percentage of range that calls a bet/raise by us versus percent of range that fires another bullet + damage done by giving "free" turn (if no c/r) and by giving free river for the hands that do not fire another bullet. Just looking at the "which is the better way to get Ben to put money into the pot while behind" forgets the potential damage for letting Ben not pay more on flop/check behind on turn, and improve to a point that's superior.

I was more focusing on the damage done by letting Ben take a free turn. C/r or donking turn makes Ben have to pay and gets a lot of draws to fold (or pay incorrect price), and also does introduce the small but not inconsequential chance Ben believes "us" to be doing this with a draw ourselves (paticularly c/r flop), or with a hand that Ben can drive out with a shove - I mean I'd assume "we'd" snap-call if Ben shoved after we c/r, no?

Yes, it's a little results-oriented, but giving dangerous players with huge stacks and who are fully capable of pulling off bluffs with air gives Ben ("villain" at this point I guess) a ton of power. But as someone already said - that's why playing OOP sucks, paticularly against someone like Lamb.

And I'm sure the value lost by having him fold hands to a c/r that would have fired again is a big reason why I'm sitting home and they're playing the ME.

In wonder if Lamb gets compensated from wearing Aria shirts all the time maybe free food for life or something.

lol

i missed the end of the lamb gionatti hand, was waiting to run out door and had to go after it hit 6 mins lol, what did they table, i think i seen lamb had 3 2? a quote of the hand ending would be great if its been posted, sorry just didnt see it.

gianetti had ace 9 on a board of ace 2 9 7 2 and lamb rivered trips....bet 4M on the river in a 3.1M pot and gianetti tanked for 10 mins before calling

cellphones should not be allowed for people in the room when down to 2 tables and less,it cant be that hard to do

also isildur would have extracted more value bettin flop turn and overbetshovin river

HEY TOTALLY MISSED THE lamb gianetti hand can anyone tell me hat happened?

+1 there!

[x] Stapes should replace Lon and give his witty banter

read above a couple posts on the hand^

Gianetti called 4mil with A 9

Lamb had 3 2

Board: A 2 9 7 2

gianetti basically gave Lamb an early Christmas present``

Once again How the hell did this get to the river?

Khoa is going to win this tournament

Break comes at a good time for Gianetti.

Didn't read his other posts prior to the one you quoted but everything he said in his post was basically right.

Not going to bother reading the rest of his posts but if his opinion is that livb giving away advanced strategy on an ESPN broadcast isn't the best thing for the games I'd say he's right.

But as someone else said, since you can't do anything about it, it's pretty much not worth discussing, so I'm not sure if people are annoyed with him bc he keeps posting about it or because of his position. Scrolling through the last couple of pages it just looked like the NVG-groupthink-train piling on top to troll what seemed to be a valid point.

Broadcasting advanced strategy isn't the only, nor the best way to get more money flowing around at all levels. People tuning in to watch WSOP on ESPN are likely already recreational players who probably go to casinos -- getting them to think about the game differently probably isn't good. I don't think the % of people who get involved in poker specifically because of hearing poker strategy vs get involved just due to seeing it on TV is enough to offset the % of people who are geared in the right direction strategically.

check check on the turn lol.

Giannetti checks to Lamb, who was PFR and in position. Lamb fires standard cbet, just a call.

Turn check-check.

River check-overbet-tank-tank-tank-tank-10 minutes later-call.

I advocated c/r on flop or donking turn, but it appears to be 2 to 2 so far based on posts - so from a sample size of 4, posters are split.

yeah, i see your point - but i guess the obvious answer is that gianettii was trapping - or trying to extract max value without screwing himself (a slippery slope we are all familiar with) - and put himself in a tough spot when that weird river card hit.

I miss Hellmuth

Anyone got any driftwood?

Not that interesting. Everyone had presumably an equal chance of being in that situation. Those who ended up at the table with their cards exposed just caught a bit of variance.

Thank you thats sick, I dont understand how he doesnt get more bets into that pot before the river with a9 there..pretty bad play imo

thats a spot you need to be jamming the pot on the flop, there's a lot of cards that kill your action and if he has ak you may get it in on the flop as a big favorite, you may also get a flush draw to go nuts by raising the flop.

tarping for the loss!

it's a tarp!

When does the stream come back on?