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I owe money to Stars after some bounced eCheck deposits and was either banned or self excluded myself due to being an idiot. It's been at least 5 years since this and I have been in good standing with all of my transaction on FT (even at that time). Am I really going to get screwed in this deal and not be allowed to play? What is my best course of action? Assuming I pay the money owed back ($1200 or so).... Would a letter from a therapist and/or legal council help? What can I do?

So you rolled over Stars 5 years ago and now the only reason you want to make good is because you might not be able to play at FTP? Yeah, I'd say I hope you get banned from FTP as well.

08-05-2012 , 08:44 PM

#452

Drifter84

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 387

Sorry if its answered allready but will we be able to see our transaction history?
Im asking this because a friend of mine send me some dollars just before ftp went down and none of us can remember how much it was...

08-05-2012 , 08:50 PM

#453

Guyra

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 550

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifter84

Sorry if its answered allready but will we be able to see our transaction history?
..

A big +1 to this.

08-05-2012 , 09:25 PM

#454

NoahSD

Is Right

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 18,843

Quote:

Originally Posted by teddyFBI

I wonder if FTP was able to 'tag' which deposits they never actually collected from players' bank accts?

They did

08-05-2012 , 09:36 PM

#455

CANUCKEH44

grinder

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 643

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidNB

You may lose the money you have on FTP to cover what you owe at PS. That assumes of course that PS checkes the list of players banned from PS against the list at FTP. Since its one company now, they can take your money off of FTP to cover the debt on PS.

I am sure they are going to check both player pools for players who managed to do something like this.
Not so sure they will be likely to forgive and forget.

08-06-2012 , 01:51 AM

#456

Eldorian

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,274

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleeeasefold

Good answer aldorian, but what about players who requested to close their account on pokerstars either because poker was not the game for them, cooling off or just didn't like the software, once account is closed they are banned for life, but later they opened a account on FTP and became daily regulars for 4 years, and paid a six figure rake. What happens to those FTP accounts?

my guess would be, the ban in conjunction with account closure has to do with first deposit bonus / rakeback deal? So you might be able to argue to get it reopened if you do not aks for a first deposit bonus... Why would you be banned for life if you close your account, they should be happy to have you back?

08-06-2012 , 02:07 AM

#457

2bad4u

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 676

I don't think we realize how easy we have things in the world of unregulated (and I DO mean unregulated) internet poker. IRL, if you become a "persona non grata" from ANY casino (in the UK at least), well...good luck with getting back in to a casino from a completely different company at the other end of the country! lol

08-06-2012 , 02:13 AM

#458

Pleeeasefold

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldorian

If you request to have your account closed (even for no reason at all) they close it and you are never allowed to play on pokerstars again. I did this before I even knew How to play poker, because I played for few hours lost $200 and didnt think I would ever want to play poker. But since then I learned the game and have been playing on FTP poker for more then two years with no issues. Thats why I think it's not fair to ban me from FTP now since I closed my account on pokerstars long time ago. And I'm sure lots of other people have similar issues. But we should all wait until pokerstars releases more information.

08-06-2012 , 02:28 AM

#459

Tsao

banned

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13

question for op:

will you do something about the traditionally awful customer service of ftp?

08-06-2012 , 02:56 AM

#460

djle2

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,921

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldorian

PS has nothing to do with americans, i think this was made clear. PS does not know about the bounced checks, the DOJ will not give PS random access to players accounts that do not concern PS.

Asking them about points in case DOJ is not reimbursing them makes no sense at all, it has been made clear, for better or worse, american players will be handled by the DOJ...

as for the ban / self exclution:

self exclution: the reason this feature exists is to protect problem gamblers from themselves. Yes, poker players are a different bread and use this for other reasons, apparently avoiding bad beats and disliked software being prominent ones. Due to the first group the standard approach will be to exclude players form both sides (because they open themselves to legal action). As the second group is well known to Pokerstars there will be exclutions as Lee hinted at and will be probably dealt with on a case by case basis...

ban: A ban by a poker site is not "punishment". They are not in the business of punishing people, they are a business. As a busniess they get to choose (within parameters of course) with whom to do business. If a company came to the decission they do not want to do business with you and then acquire another company, well thats tough luck for you!

I think people banned on FTP will have an easier case to get their ban reevalued than people banned from PS, due to the fact that the FTP players were not banned by PS, so overturning that decission does not hurt them. People banned from PS should probably not hold their breaths for a fresh start on FTP2...

+1 I like this a lot.

08-06-2012 , 03:29 AM

#461

High_set

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 153

With 1 more day left til ft reopens will USA players be permitted to log in to the client but not play for real money? I/e play money tables only? I loved those tables.

08-06-2012 , 03:42 AM

#462

28renton

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,627

Quote:

Originally Posted by High_set

With 1 more day left til ft reopens will USA players be permitted to log in to the client but not play for real money? I/e play money tables only? I loved those tables.

uhhh...u might wanna check your sources

08-06-2012 , 04:22 AM

#463

High_set

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 153

I already checked my sources though in reading the whole thread and articles there was nothing that stated once full tilt poker reopens what will happen to us players access to the site other than not being allowed to play for real money. I want to know if we will be able to use the old play money tables they had and I found nothing

08-06-2012 , 04:42 AM

#464

Eldorian

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,274

you can probably extrapolate from what Americans are able to do on Pokerstars; they will be able to do the same thing on FTP...

08-06-2012 , 07:08 AM

#465

Sicarius

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 210

Will you announce when the deal has been officially closed and the 90day period will start?

08-06-2012 , 08:06 AM

#466

Pleeeasefold

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsao

question for op:

will you do something about the traditionally awful customer service of ftp?

I emailed them a few times, took no more then 2 hours to reply.

08-06-2012 , 08:41 AM

#467

Tsao

banned

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleeeasefold

I emailed them a few times, took no more then 2 hours to reply.

oh, things are changing.

08-06-2012 , 09:33 AM

#468

Lee Jones

Semi-retired poker guy

Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,105

Hi all -
Very briefly:

Q: Will PokerStars and Full Tilt have separate player pools ("liquidity") or a single shared player pool?

A: PokerStars and Full Tilt will have separate player pools. If you are at a Full Tilt table, you will not be playing against PokerStars players, and vice versa.

Best regards,
Lee Jones

08-06-2012 , 09:45 AM

#469

Pleeeasefold

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 174

Hi lee, can you comment more on the ban situation? Unless you don't have any new info on that?

08-06-2012 , 09:54 AM

#470

Archang3l

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleeeasefold

Hi lee, can you comment more on the ban situation? Unless you don't have any new info on that?

+1

Yes, please.Can you be more specific about ban situation?Especially for players who banned from FTP, before Black Friday.

Now, we learned FTP and PS will have separate player pools.So it would be unfair if PS ban players who banned from FTP, before Black Friday.They already won't play at FTP.

Thank you.

Last edited by Archang3l; 08-06-2012 at 10:12 AM.

08-06-2012 , 09:58 AM

#471

three_dee

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 841

Quote:

Originally Posted by High_set

I think he meant the part about Full Tilt reopening tomorrow, which it is not.

08-06-2012 , 10:22 AM

#472

Gojirad

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 633

Quote:

Originally Posted by three_dee

I think he meant the part about Full Tilt reopening tomorrow, which it is not.

and forgive me if im wrong, but i think he misread (misinterpreted?) the OP's meaning of 'With 1 more day left til ft reopens '.

Rather than, 'there is one more day left until FTP opens,' i think he meant ' When there is one more day left until FTP opens.'

08-06-2012 , 10:39 AM

#473

DavidNB

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,332

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gojirad

plus 90 more days

08-06-2012 , 10:44 AM

#474

d0nk3y

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archang3l

Now, we learned FTP and PS will have separate player pools.So it would be unfair if PS ban players who banned from FTP, before Black Friday.They already won't play at FTP.

THIS.