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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
It feels like it's you doing most of the complaining, not other people.
I hardly even know what to say to this. Seriously.
I couldn't even begin to count the number of posters that have complained about you in different threads. You have infractions from 3 other moderators. And you were actually put on a word count/post limit for a while by another moderator, something I've never seen done before.
So no, this isn't an issue of "me vs. you".
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
IMO you are a bit of a nuisance on many threads. I've seen you many times try to, or actually, shut down various people on threads because of your own personal viewpoints on the topic, not because their posts were bad, off topic, or broke any rules, but because you lost your own self control over maintaining impartiality as a moderator.
LOL, OK.
Just to be clear, though, my earlier post had nothing to do with my personal viewpoint on the topic - I hadn't even expressed one.
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Far from being a negative for NVG traffic and participation, I've started some threads recently and before that have created debate and traffic.
Pretty much any thread started in NVG will create debate and traffic.
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
Well, this is often how a conversation goes, back and forth. You're in Green so I guess that means a moderator too? I have no complaints about you but what BoboFett has routinely done to me is tantamount to trolling.
Leaving aside the trolling for now...routinely? I haven't even responded to one of your posts in over 4 months.
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He even admitted he enjoyed bashing me on a thread, (one about poker winnings being donated to charity.)
I probably did enjoy criticizing your viewpoint in that thread, because it was so terrible. Guilty as charged.
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Mods have a job to do and are generally doing a very good job, but him criticising me for discussing the legal side of this incident is ridiculous when various other posts before and after mine include the same issue.
Except that wasn't what I was doing. Again:
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I'm not suggesting they couldn't or shouldn't be part of the discussion. I was pointing out the irony of you dismissing the subject of the thread as a side issue, while attempting to make your views of an actual side issue the central point of discussion.
I only jumped in because I've seen 3 people post in the last few days that you are the primary reason why they read NVG far less than they used to. You don't often make a single post that can be easily pointed to as the problem, yet you constantly manage to take threads and turn them into a discussion about your views on something, often tangential to the original topic. This has been pointed out to you numerous times in a variety of ways, but the message is usually not received and/or understood by you.
It's your manner of making a thread a discussion of
your viewpoints that I was taking issue with, as happens so often. And not even a discussion of your viewpoints of the subject of the thread.
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Of course some or many of my opinions are wrong, but within what you have just highlighted, it is very obvious that NVG in particular can and does often treat people harshly who "the crowd" disagrees with and it is therefore a reasonable assumption that this is why many people lurk and don't post much.
It's easy to position yourself as "Devil's Advocate", or the one with the contradictory or controversial viewpoint, and then dismiss those who criticize as going along with the crowd. And while that can happen sometimes, a lot of the time it's just that one person is wrong, and obviously a lot of people will disagree with them. Or one person holds an opinion that most disagree with, and they didn't need a crowd to convince them of that.
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
You are also proving one of my points, by personally attacking me regarding my writing style and by accusing me of knowingly posting false facts or information.
Perhaps it is people like you that are the problem and not me.
I haven't really seen a lot of personal attacks in this thread. People are attacking the way you post.
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Originally Posted by ABdeVilliers
Huge bullying culture on NVG / this thread. Engendered by a moderator, somewhat bizarrely.
I'm curious how this works, in your mind. It's not like SD is being personally attacked in a vicious manner. I expressed an opinion that he is posting poorly, and a few people have agreed. If that's bullying, then I'm not sure how this is supposed to work - is there a limit to how many people can line up to disagree with someone, and once we go over that number, it becomes bullying? I'm being serious here - I'm sure you don't think in those terms, but still, what makes it bullying as opposed to a number of people disagreeing with someone, or disliking their posting style?
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You can't tell anyone where they can and can't post or what they should post about.
No one's really done that to this point, but yes, of course you can. Of course that doesn't mean the person has to listen to you.
If you meant as a moderator, then again, of course we can, only in that case, the person does need to listen. But that's not what I'm doing here.
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I've never seen a moderator just start arbitrarily slagging off a poster in public before. If you think that is how it should be done then good luck to you.
There was nothing arbitrary about it.
Many other things have been tried with SD, and none of them seem to work. If you have other suggestions, I'm all ears. SD discussions often end up derailing threads. Posters are constantly complaining about him. Some long-term posters are saying they read NVG much less because of him. What would you suggest we do about this?