Thanks for the reply Bobo. I was aware that there was a politics thread.

I still think it is a shame that the thread was deleted as like you say it is a very different crowd that posts in the politics thread and it does not have the reach that an NVG thread does.

Whilst I appreciate that you are not running a charity and that the thread was not strictly poker related I think for a moral stand point it was wrong to close the original thread. It feels a bit to me like moderators have taken the same line Trumps response to the shootings i.e this is not the time to talk about gun control. Instead lets bury the debate as it is awkward for everyone.

Whilst I appreciate you have to make tough decisions like this I still think you have made the wrong decision in this case. As it was a genuinely interesting discussion about a very important issue with very little abuse (for an NVG thread).

This is something that comes up a lot when NVG threads are closed. We don't decide on what's allowed in any forum based on the traffic it gets, but on the purpose of the forum. If a thread is considered OT for a particular forum, it will closed, moved, or deleted, and how much traffic the place where the topic in question belongs is never a factor in that decision.

Yikes!

If that's your read on the motivation, I think you've got it wrong, by a long shot.

NVG, and pretty much every other non-Politics forum on 2+2, has a long-standing policy of not typically allowing political debates - that's why we have a Politics forum. Dozens of past threads that have wandered off into the political sphere have been closed before, and dozens more will be in the future. While I'm not a mod of this forum and wasn't involved in the decision, I agree with it, and am quite confident that the decision has nothing to do with anyone's personal beliefs or politics.

And wrong from a moral standpoint? I haven't a clue where that's coming from.

While it may have been an interesting discussion, and the issue is certainly important, that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't belong in NVG.

One last thing I'll mention - it's not like this is a decision where the moderators are the only ones who feel this way. There are certainly going to be some that are unhappy with the decision, but there are also plenty that were unhappy such a discussion was derailing (in their view) the thread.

Thank you for such a well thought out reply.

If that is the standard practice I understand why it was removed.

It felt to me at the time that a really important debate was being stifled.

Bump this inquiry. Can a Mod please chime in to clarify why the thread was closed and deleted?

Well done, O.

Absolutely an important topic. Stifled is not really the issue. Most of us know that if we wanted to discuss/debate gun control....Politics is the place to do that on 2+2.... a poker strategy website that has blossomed into so much more since its inception.

Look at the Forums. NVG is under the heading General Poker. Every subcategory tries to hold the line on Poker/NotPoker. Makes sense to me.

This place would be a mess if every subgroup had a gun control discussion thread because like every other hot topic issue, a thread would devolve into two factions not listening to each other. I think it is great that 2+2 community has a Politics section. Many other forums keep a vary narrow focus (that can be good as well....right?,,, depends on what you are looking for). Want a good Gun Control discussion? The web (the non-2+2 web....is there such a place ? ) is full of threads/sites that will cater to your desire. 2+2 is a poker content publishing company.

Cheers, great having your contributions to the locked thread.

The thread seemed spammy and only received low/no content responses.

If you wish to repost the question feel free to do so in this thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=short+answers

I hope this is the correct place to report this. Please don't temp ban me for this post, because I'm writing it in good faith.

I was temp-banned for using the insult "moron." Okay, fair enough, since insults are against the rules. However it was a response to a post which used the insult "delusional." I found this to be a particularly hurtful insult, as I have had family members with mental illness that included delusions as a symptom. That doesn't mean they are bad people or have invalid opinions.

I think that "delusional" is in fact a more hurtful insult than "moron," but yet as far as I can tell, that poster wasn't temp-banned for using it. This seems inconsistent, unfair, and indicates bias in the moderation.

Using the first definition of both:



They both also have Psychology definitions but these are the more common applications of the words.
IMO moron is worse.

I guess it depends which dictionary you are using. The definition I found is:

"characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder."

In the context, the poster clearly meant to imply another poster has a mental disorder. Regardless, it really shouldn't matter which word is "worse," only that it was an insult. Which it obviously was imo.

However if you are going to justify the decision by claiming calling someone "delusional" isn't an insult, I suppose there is nothing I can do about it. I do think that is, well, delusional.

So to be fair I should ban you again.
j/k

Will keep context in mind for future action and try to apply it evenly.
If you wish to PM or post a link here I'll delete the delusional post.

Interesting perspective, bluesbassman.

When I Googled your definition, it brought up the Oxford dictionary, and it provided a second definition:

And it included examples for the definition you quoted:

I don't know about the example you have in mind, but pretty much any time I see someone call another poster delusional, it pretty much always reads to me as the first definition I've quoted above; I've yet to see it posted in a context that I'd take to be an implication of mental illness. That doesn't mean you're not right about the post in question, but my experience is that such a context would be rare.

Moron, on the other hand, is an insult in any context, and one I'd consider more serious than that first definition of delusional. That is rather subjective, of course.

That said, I can understand the frustration if you felt you were insulted, and then received a ban for returning the favour. In future, you might want to report the post rather than trading insults. After all, even if the other poster received a ban, that wouldn't change the fact that you were banned, which could have been avoided.

Errr, why exactly have my posts been deleted? If you're going to do that at least send me a message explaining what the problem is :/

Mods cannot be expected to PM a poster every time a post is deleted. (I did not delete those posts fwiw.)

OK, fair enough, but maybe a better idea is to have a [message deleted] in place of the text which has been deleted and, for example, 'political/gun control/ whatever' description as to why

Gun purchasing and their value was a derail to the conversation about the event.

When I do issue an explanation it usually comes with an infraction or temp ban. Was hopeful you might have figured it out for yourself.

Otherwise the deletions are borderline infractions and not worth the effort to infract or give every poster of a deleted post an explanation. Remember, we are volunteers and not paid for this.

we want our Blockers thread back !

i know the personal insults were picking up and yeah I guess no strat in NVG applies, but it was one of the best NVG threads in a while.

k thanks bye

other than that, appreciate all that the mods do to make nvg interesting.

i cant upload my face you candy @sses know whats happening here

Absolutely.

Any chance BFI could steal this thread? https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...uture-1636827/

Understanding crypto is pretty much a prerequisite at this point the life cycle of this technology in order to really discuss it indepth. And then you could sort of blanket ban talk about emerging crypto projects and ensure you avoid general spam. Crypto experienced players that discuss bitcoin and other alt-coins can identify pure spam and scams more easily than those with no experience with it.

Seems like not many are interested in the subject in NVG, but there is already related discussion in BFI alt coin threads etc.

Interesting suggestion. If a BFI mod can reply and approve the move we can make it so.

Why not start a separate thread in BFI for people who want to talk about p2p poker there? If Nooseknot isn't enjoying the thread in NVG then he doesn't need to participate in it (which would also result in it falling off the front page until there is actual news on this topic).

The fact that p2p poker is also a business area doesn't mean it should be banished from NVG to BFI any more than Galfond's, Polk's, or Caesar's businesses should be banished there. The topic is legit News Views and Gossip about poker even if the thread is a bit "Views" heavy since Nooseknot came in.

Ok, I just feel bad bumping it, and am wanting to steer the dialogue towards a more technical discussion. Happy the greater community might see the discussion, but I just figure its a foreign language to anyone not familiar with the emerging crypto/tech industry.

There members in BFI in the crypto threads that I can bring up the suggestion with, who probably know the mods.

To make a new thread might make sense too.

We can also copy the thread there so you can take your own path with it in BFI.

Right. I'll try to find consensus for it to exist (mod approval etc). Thx.