idk why on earth you would read all that if you're not a mod, but whatever

Based on the your post above and my previous recollection of your posting this would probably be a good idea.

Also you should be using the post notification feature like everyone else if you are wanting the mods to consider your concern about posts so we may take the appropriate action.

And don't bring your 27offsuit complaints here. He is not a NVG mod. Go to ATF or elsewhere and not NVG to voice your concerns about non-NVG mods.

what is the post notification feature that you speak of? you mean the button where we report posts that we deem to be offensive/in violation of rules? that's really not my style- i dont get offended by the vitriol/abuse/aggression/etc, i just assume that everybody on this forum is an adult capable of handling situations/discourse that isnt perfectly tailored to whatever delicate sensibilities they may have.

i would understand being targeted by mods if i had a history of hijacking threads or making them unreadable with silly bull****, but that's not what's happening here.

like i said, i'm fine with avoiding NVG in the future. are we going to do anything about these infraction points? do you feel they were entirely warranted based on the posts in question? should i be spiteful and go back and report the posts which crossed the line before me? that seems kinda silly and juvenile, to be perfectly honest.

Hey +rep_lol, you're lucky you weren't perma-banned years ago. Stop complaining.

Its absolutely baffling to me that non-mods follow this thread

This is really funny. Living life without a smidgen of self-awareness.

First, thanks to +rep_lol for bringing this matter to the Moderation thread the way he did (in case anyone is wondering, I really mean that).

NVG is known for being a bit wild and crazy and that will probably never end. A lot of stuff is allowed herein that would likely not be allowed in some other 2+2 forums.

Having said that, NVG does have some standards as reflected in the PM I sent to +rep_lol when he replied to the 20-point infraction (the first line responds to his saying that if I didn't rescind the infraction points he would take this to ATF).

In short, I believe that the 2+2 admin and mods collectively want the forum to be a positive experience for its members. NVG should not be an exception.

Please do.

Oh good then don't do it. After all we don't want you to appear silly and juvenile similar to when you revert to name calling (ie: stupid AF) to defend your position.

But i was adding something positive on both counts- first, a realistic perspective on why it's silly to assume dealers are getting tossed tokes worth hundreds or thousands of dollars for dealing winning pots to players. Second, another realistic perspective on why its absurd to keep playjng mtts on a site that routinely locks you out of your table mid-tournament.

In regards to rule #1, i only ever became combative after i was insulted. Im not saying that two wrongs make a right, but we're all human here and i dont think its unreasonable to respond in kind to a bit of hostility.

Thus, i feel like the onslaught of infraction points resulting from those two exchanges is excessive.

NVG is so "wild and crazy", so infested with clueless, hostile, and resentful individuals that strat talk technically isnt even permitted. If nobody checks the posters who spew nonsense, then how is the subforum ever going to be a place undeserving of ridicule?

Spite is spite, you have a fair point. Im not saying that i acted like an angel, im saying that i acted in a way that should be fairly understandable to the average person.

It seems obviously like the ultimate goal of the mods is to deter me from posting in nvg, and im fine with that. Why so unwilling to rescind a few points in good faith?

You cant say "well rules are rules" when you just admitted two posts ago that theyre applied selectively and inconsistently

Have you met Sagedonkey?

I have no problem with you posting in NVG but you explicitly stated that the NVG had no value to you and leaving the NVG for good would have no effect on your life. This leads me to lean towards the please go side rather than the please stay side for your sake at a minimum.

I actually think you have provided value in the past in NVG with some of your posting so I suggest you stop worrying about the infractions given by whosnext and BoboFett (both of which were good decisions) and continue posting if you choose.

My advice is that you try to keep your posting a bit more civil and follow the rules throughout the forums because given your current infraction point balance you are very close to not posting anywhere in the forums. My goal is to keep you here.

It seems more like you have a complaint about a single infraction from a single mod in NVG, as that's the only infraction you've received in NVG in almost 3 years.

OK. This is an NVG moderation thread, but there isn't one in Internet Poker, so I don't mind discussing that here as it's all sort of part of the same complaint. Let's go through that derail:

So tgiggity has a complaint that their tournaments have locked up on him, more than once. He's asked them to notify him when he can play again, which implies he no longer is.

And here the insults start. Yes, he had insulted Ignition staff first, but not you or anyone else in the thread. That aside, you make some good points if he's been entering tournaments continually, and from the post he made initially it wasn't clear how many times he had done it. But you did leap to a conclusion, which leads to this:

Seems pretty clear cut here. He's entered twice and no longer does - your assumption was incorrect. He's thrown an insult back at you in response to yours.

But rather than backing down and calling it a day, you double down on it with this:

No, he didn't "keep firing off tourneys" - he said he did it one more time.

I think in this context, he makes some good points here.

There's the even more clear explanation.

But you decide to keep the derail going with the same line of completely misrepresenting what he said.

He says: Locked out of one tournament, told by support problem is fixed, tries again and is locked out again, stops playing in tournaments.

You say: he cant stop firing off mtts after being locked out numerous times.

Please tell me you can see the difference here, now that you're a few days removed from the argument.

Either way, this is where you get the infraction. And it was to be 20 points because this isn't the first time for you in that thread - far from it.

Ugh. Really?

Agreed, which is why I didn't ban you and would like to see you remain on our forums.

That clearly wasn't the case in this exchange. You certainly are being treated a little more harshly in that thread, because you're a repeat offender there. It just seems that your hard-pressed lately to make points without being abusive to others. I don't go around policing every time someone says something mean to someone else, but I sometimes step in when it becomes a derail, which is happening more frequently with you recently.

FWIW, you're only about 6 weeks or so from a 10 point infraction dropping off on its own. How about trying to avoid the insult exchanges in IP (and elsewhere) for that time frame, and I'll see about reducing that infraction and/or shortening up the expiry date on it - that combined with the 10 points dropping off should get you back off the edge of a ban.

fair enough, thanks for hearing me out

Bobo laying out the truth like a boss. There is no defense.

^another angry politics poster mad at me shaming him for his rerehensible/illogical/inconsistent worldview

Bobo isnt entirely correct, but i dont feel like arguing about it anymore.

Once again, amazing to me that any non-mod keeps up with this thread and has any interest in reading this stuff

Perhaps that shows why you are at odds with a lot of people here.

This is a sticky thread, so if it is bumped, people have a look to see what is being discussed.

After I received an infraction many years ago, a while later I actually had a part in how it would work after a discussion I had with the mod who started it (SGT RJ), so please don't get upset with me too for not agreeing with your world view of how NVG is run.

^^

Had to look it up in case I was mistaken - post #67.

having a look at what's being discussed and reading meticulously through walls of text are two totally different things, but w/e, i have no interest in arguing with you about something so silly. cheers!

I would like a little picture of myself on my thread ,how could this be done well

See: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...e-more-285800/

Hi I recently started a thread called "RIP PushFoldCharts" that was closed and then deleted.

The site I was inquiring about was a particularly well known and respected and disappeared without notice, so I wasn't looking for a replacement per se as everyone in the thread responded about. I was looking if anyone knew what happened to it. Therefore, I don't think it was appropriate to close the thread because that question has not been answered. I furthermore do not understand why the thread was deleted.

I am normally very happy with the way two plus two is moderated and I understand it is a difficult job in which you can not please all the people all the time. Having said this I am disappointed that the decision was made to close the original Mandalay Shooting thread.

I know that this is a poker forum but I think there was some interesting discussion in the original thread and if we can not talk about gun control after an incident like this when can we talk about it.

I think there was many valid points people made and I personally learned something from others point of view. I think the moderator team dropped the ball on this one although obviously this is just my opinion.

You may already be aware of this, but we do have a Politics forum. There is a very active gun control thread there, and there is also one on recent terrorist acts. The Mandalay shooting is being discussed in both threads.

I know that's not the same thing, as it will be different people and probably different tone; just wanted to make sure you knew that there is a place on 2+2 for such discussions.