Wow, that's quite an interesting perspective. "A lot of detailed facts" was a Youtube link recording the sound that the mouse apparently makes, and then later when you were asked for evidence, you provided a link to a page someone created documenting the problem - a problem described on that page (and you quoted this as well) as something that can "drive some small fraction of the general population nuts". The same page shows that the problem seems to have been fixed on new mice at least 2 years ago.

So in your eyes, a noise that will drive a small fraction of the population nuts, and hasn't been found in mice made in the last 2 years, is a "major problem that affects a players game"? You've given no evidence of it either being a major problem, or of it affecting anyone's game. When you make highly suspect claims like this without any credible evidence, and title the thread with something ridiculous like "Dangerous mice for playing poker" (Dangerous????), your thread is quite likely to be viewed as some kind of personal cause. Maybe next time you should try to take a much more reasonable line, and provide a lot more in the way of facts from the beginning.

Really? Even if he couldn't give you something you would call a "clear fact", that in now way is indicative that he doesn't work for the interest of the online poker community. It could be that the two of you disagree on what qualifies as legitimate facts or reasons. It could even be that he made a mistake, although it's pretty clear to me that he didn't. Either way, I'd hazard a guess that through his many years of helping on these forums, he's done a lot more than most people (likely including you) for the online poker community.

Is there a thread where people post the funniest things said to them in chat?

This isn't really a complaint, but just wanted to say that I found the breyfogle thread very entertaining and hope it will get a second chance some day.

Agreed. Unfortunately when there was little left to talk about regarding breyfogle, it devolved into members trolling and insulting each other which is when it gets closed.

Just a suggestion, but could the Laliberte threads be merged?

Why is the Brandon Barnes thread not locked after he tried to kill himself? Does it really need to be left open for random NVGers to make ******ed posts about how he faked jumping off a parking garage?

What is the point in leaving it open? Everyone knows he is a scammer. Locking the thread won't make it disappear. Could you not easily post in the thread if someone had some actual relevant information?

Let the kid try to get his life together and get healthy ffs. His struggle with drug addiction and trying to commit suicide shouldn't be NVG's nightly movie. The point was made, the word is out, enough is enough.

Have some decency.

And yet you continue to feed the troll instead of:

Ignoring a troll isn't the point. The point is the kid hurled himself off a parking garage and deserves to not have every dumb ass in NVG eating popcorn watching his misery, scammer or not. There is absolutely no reason for it to still be open. Everyone who actually cares to know how he is doing can do so without it broadcast all over NVG.

It's been almost 5 months, no one has been paid back, he jumped off a building, the thread ran its course.

I'd expect that the hope was that some people might want to offer support, those who are owed money might still like to civilly discuss things, and that we might get updates from people who know Brandon. Keeping the thread open is a lot more conducive to that kind of thing than locking it and making people PM updates to mods so they can unlock and relock, or post the updates themselves.

Now, a case could be made that the negatives of people posting stupid **** outweighs the benefits - I'll let the regular NVG mods decide on that.

Maybe not, but if you don't want to see the trolls posting or the thread at the top of NVG all the time, maybe you should stop being the most frequent poster in the thread.

Why not move it to a forum that has a little higher IQ level so those things (which are very good points) can actually happen? MTTc or MSNL seems like a reasonable spot since those are the type of people who got scammed and the type of people who know Brandon.

I would think that would be the best solution and save the mods from having to clean the trash out of the thread twice an hour.

Leaving it in NVG is just going to cause more of the same and bury all the people posting updates, discussing buying his debt, etc.

You've made your opinion on this abundantly clear. Over and over and over and over.

Your opinion has been noted. There are no immediate plans to move the thread (or lock it) but you can be sure that we are aware of the situation.

Some of us just aren't awake at 1 in the goddamn morning EST.

Well, whose fault is that? You were the one who said it'd be heavily moderated yet it had moronic post after moronic post ever since then.

What is the point of leaving it open or in NVG? What good is it causing? What is it doing to serve the initial purpose? Do you not care that this thread could have possibly contributed to someone jumping off a building? Do you not feel responsible to put it somewhere that doesn't have people saying he made it up, deserves it, etc, etc? The thread had people saying he should kill himself etc from the very beginning, now he's tried. Seems very irresponsible and heartless to me.

Thanks for the reply

Whose fault is it that moderators aren't there 24 hours a day to snap-delete anything that you find objectionable? No one's - that's just the way it is. They said heavily moderated, not moderated second by second. I kind of thought 21 posts being deleted within less than 3 hours of the beginning of the derail was heavy moderation. Sorry it didn't meet your exacting standards.

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WTF?

You don't know if he jumped and if he did, what the reason was, but you're now going to try to put what happened on the thread being open in NVG, and by extension, the mods? Yes, I know you said "could have possibly contributed", but still...get a grip.

Do you not feel responsible to stop contributing to derails like the ones we had yesterday? You were one of the most frequent "contributors" to the thread yesterday - probably the most frequent.

I don't recall any such posts, but I'll take your word that there may have been some back when the thread started. I certainly haven't seen any in the last few months, and none of the posts last night were of that nature.

Actually, your rhetoric-filled posts trying to pin Brandon's most recent troubles on evil NVG seem pretty irresponsible to me.

Maybe you should just take a little break from the thread for a while. It seems everyone else has as well, so perhaps the problem isn't quite as massive or urgent as you seem to think it is.

Sorry I don't feel someone struggling with drug addiction and thoughts of suicide(which he posted in that thread) is "poker news" that should be on the front page of the most heavily viewed forum you guys have. I'm not blaming anything on anyone, but to say having a bunch of randoms post nonsense regarding a serious situation is a good thing is beyond me. There is no reason this thread couldn't be moved to a forum that wouldn't have such things go on or closed until there is actual information to be posted. You guys act as if this kids life deserves to be a side show for NVG to watch as it happens.

And you don't recall anyone posting he should kill himself? It was happening from the very beginning lmao. Klink being the first poster that comes to mind, but not the only one.

Yeah, it would be beyond me as well, if anyone said anything close to that.

No, I didn't, but now that you mention klink that does sound familiar, and likely. Why is that important? I already said I'd take your word on that.

Wow.

Are you actually blaming NVG and 2p2 for his actions, assuming it was deliberate on his part and not an accident?

No wonder you're so angry about the thread, then. I find your appropriation of blame completely inappropriate, but at least it makes sense now.

People telling each other to kill themselves is now and has always been against NVG rules, and we crack down on that when we find it, but no mod sits on every thread 24/7 waiting for stuff to happen. And most posters, even ones who get as wound up as you have, never bother to report the posts that raise such ire in them.

Consequently, sometimes inappropriate and offensive posts are sometimes up longer than they would be, and that sucks, but short of 2p2 actually hiring thread monitors to patrol 24/7, it's just the way the internet works.

I'm not blaming anything on 2+2 or NVG, simply stating having a thread of serious nature in a forum dominated by trolls and clueless dolts makes no sense. Neither you or Bobo have given me a reason why this thread can't be moved to MTTc or MSNL where it belongs. If you're not going to close it then that's the least of what could/ should be done.

It's been open for 5 months with no one paid and now has taken a turn to where the subject of the thread won't be paying anyone back in the near future or ever.

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I have no idea why it would belong in those forums any more than it does in NVG.

Really, where it probably belongs is in the Marketplace, but traditionally very high profile scamming threads like this one have been allowed to stay in NVG. Part of the reason for this is that the Marketplace issues usually go into a single feedback thread; we will shortly be opening a forum for transaction feedback and perhaps we could consider moving it there when that happens.

It seems like only one opinion is allowed in the Brandon Barnes thread. Why is that?

I have no idea why it seems like that to you. I removed a bunch of posts arguing back and forth, so I can't see how that it would make it seem that way.

Why do you think it seems like that to you?

Bobo, on the bright side it is pretty funny seeing every idiot in NVG post nonsense before you go in and delete 20+ posts at a time. I still don't understand how this thread wouldn't be better served left open in another forum where intelligent thought actually occurs. (Though NVG has produced a few intelligent threads lately)

I see in his determination to have the last word that The Engineer has, with a fine sense of irony, locked the Lock Poker / PPA thread.

It seems to be s.o.p. For the PPA, and TE in particular, to either respond very aggressively when questioned about their motives or setup, or to simply ignore the questions posed.

I resent being told to 'mind my own business' by a moderator who has seen fit to spam his special interest group's announcements across multiple 2+2 forums, apparently without sanction.

TE continually treats the PPA's 2+2 detractors with either sarcastic hostility or open contempt. He is overly defensive when tough questions are asked.

His latest actions in locking a thread containing an ongoing discussion about the PPA seems premature and inappropriate.

I do not believe that he is a good advocate for poker, nor do I think that he should moderate on these forums.

Yeah, that seemed pretty childish behavior by The Engineer. Locking the thread to have the last word...

Censorship or what?

Sgt. RJ thinks that thread has reached the end of its usefulness as things stand now.