I’m still unable to find a button to report posts on my iPhone but

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=315

This one is most definitely in out of line personal attack. Not sure why the guy is so angry.

Whosnext is a horrible mod who punishes conservative viewpoints. demod him please.

Counterpoint: This is not a politics forum. Maybe he punishes political posts ITF, whether they are conservative or liberal, and you should take the politics talk to the appropriate forum.

You misspelled "promote".

LOL. I hope he does, because political viewpoints don't belong in NVG.

This.

And this.

I've noticed something that is stark and apparent to me.

Over the recent years this forum moderation has changed, in this case it seems for the good, but I know there are many legacy mods and I wonder if they would readily agree or admit this or perhaps be offended etc.

I feel like not long ago a thread that was indefensibly damning to dougpolk (or players in the ring such as joey ingram) would NOT be allowed to run "uninfluenced". I realize controversial threads happen all of the time but to me something about this forum changed and I feel like this new thread about doug is a shinning example of it.

But I would also like to point something out. Its not a thread where the community is trying to decide whether or not one of the parties acted immorally, and which party that is. Thats not real, thats part of the problem that is being highlighted. The problem of being able to control the social medium narrative on significant outlets. 2p2 is obviously a target of dougs and other similar entites/persons who only mean to exploit the community.

I just want to point out to all of the sincere mods here. Its obvious that doug has done something terrible. And recently he also had to apologize the poker players for advertising what was an obvious scam to anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the crypto industry.

I really think you should consider a moderation policy that is heavy handed on accounts that are denying the obvious reality and gravity of the situation. And really work together to extend that type of policy through the community where as traditionally it seems there was a heavy handed policy versus anyone who's sentiments didn't align with the cabal.

I've seen no change, and given your recent posts in the Galfond thread, I'd suggest that maybe you should consider that your perception that there's been a change in moderation might be caused by your own biases.

Whatever the case may be, I highly doubt NVG mods will be taking your suggestion to delete accounts that you don't believe are appropriately critical of Doug Polk.

We're not the opinion police and the "gravity of the situation" lies certainly in the eye of the beholder. If someone disputes proven facts we handle that appropriately in the same way we've done it in the past. Your "obvious reality" might be very different than the one of other posters though.

FWIW, old ownership had a different professional (and potentially personal) relationship with Doug than the new one. That might have had an impact regarding negative threads about him in the past but had nothing to do with the mod team.

We seem to disagree which interesting, because the change seems extremely clear to me. Madlex seems at least to have an inkling into what I'm talking about. If you haven't listened to the evidence then you also probably didn't read galfond explain that the evidence matters and is beyond damning here. Doug isn't denying anything. It's all plain sight.

I think so.

I'm not sure if either of you are familiar with the doug situation. But its not a debate. Doug has manipulated the associated social media to make it LOOK like its a debate and its THAT ACTION which is terrible. Because now he has people debating whether or not this guy is an abusive pedophile but really its clear that the guy is a victim of being raped as a child and doug.

There isn't any gray area, expect for these account that are stating there is but I don't think for a 2nd bobo fett would say its unclear if the guy that got raped a as child is promoting pedophilia. So the question is really does doug still have the pull to create and uphold false narratives. There is no real plausible definability for the human mods here in this regard. And I seem to be the only one in the community that has ever been willing to stand up for what is right.

Its a HORRRIBLE THING that doug has made people think that this subject of whether or not this guy was raped as a child is debatable and whether or not this guy is a child raper. I cant really think of a more terrible position experience for a human. Does someone want to suggest something that is worse?

And just for another important example of a historical issue in this regard which doug is probably absolutely exploiting is this behavior and modership:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=112


It shouldn't be allowed and I FULLY believe its allowed because of a historical artifact of this site, from a setup that perhaps no longer exist (somehow this isn't a shot at say mason and sklansky cause I did appreciate the sort of constitution they seem to imply) . There should an easy blanket rule that any mod can remove any post on the basis that its a contentless ad hominem.. Hominems are fine and great and fun, but contentless ones that do nothing but derail any possible dialogue should be discouraged.

You shouldn't be allowed to do that especially IF it comes with no engagement in the dialogue. Here this person gets to make the implication that the whole community thinks I have a mental disorder and that gets upheld and obviously if i try to defend myself, I will get mod'd for it.

But what is most important, and the trick I play, is that the content in my post is VERY CIRTICAL and would have stopped two plus two plus from advertising and benefiting from cypto based pokers scams if they had applied the insight. This is provable now. It was only my 'opinion' before it all happened.

There is no one here that claims to know more than me about the crypto and security related aspects of the evolving digital money resolution.

Until you remove baseless contentless ad hominems and accounts that perpetuate obvious harmful disinformation doug polk will control this community and the narrative on this site. And I'm waiting for this change because when its clear doug no longer has control, I'm going to expose joey Chicago for a high stakes. multi accounting scheme/scam.

Just so its clear to anyone that hasn't listened to doug and charlie talk:
I'd like to ask the mod's not the fake accounts with fake opinion, as humans....what is there to debate in this 3 points? Or what did I miss that you heard or read?

Doug just finished ripping the community off over coinflex. Which is a super popular scam regarding crypto-economics that I understand better than anyone here.

Its not really a gray area where there is room for plausible deniability where twoplustwo is the most important and significant avenue for upholding a disinformation campaign.

A few things:

First, your postings are too long. You lose readers and potential readers who just skip over them.

Second, you grossly overestimate the influence Doug has on people and grossly (and insultingly) underestimate people’s abilities to think for themselves.

Third, just because someone has a different take than you doesn’t make them wrong. Silencing opinions you disagree with is not the right way to handle things. This isn’t a dictatorship and you certainly are not a dictator no matter how much you try to flex on the mods to do your bidding.

First. You clearly didn't take the time to look into the subject.

Here is the video with the timestamp:



Watch it and then tell me this isn't terrible. and that its not terrible that its on the front page of two plus two written like this: Charlie Carrel vs Doug Polk containment thread (stealing/pedophile/other accusations)

That title is HORRIBLE it should not be on the front page. its absolutely untrue, there is nothing founded about such accusations. I challenge any single mod here to say they watch that back and forth and to say that its questionable.

Doug has made the community believe that the victim deserve shame for being the abuser. Its horrible and sad. And he has you fooled. And random 13 post accounts are telling the community that charlie is a pos.

READ THIS PART:

1) doug has accused Charlie of being supportive of child molestation NEITHER SIDE DISPUTES THIS
2) Charlie has explained that he doesn't support pedophilia and he was a vicitim of being raped of a child and this is why he doesn't support it. NEITHER SIDE DISPUTES THIS
3) Charlies life is terrorized by an online misinformation based campaign created by Doug that is accusing him of being an abuser when really it was charlie that was a victim. NEITHER SIDE DISPUTES THIS

You guys...you really really should consider that this is not appropriate, not right whatsoever to be a headline on 2p2 the goto place for poker news. Thats horribly unfair. Can someone that has watched that video tell me they disagree? I can't believe the pull doug has.

Why has jbouton been allowed to completely hijack and spam the moderation thread? We get it dude, you hate Doug Polk and anyone associated with him. I’m surprised you’re not on a 3-day vacation right now to cool your jets.

I don't see how this is a derail, as what he is posting about is exactly what the thread is here for.

jbouton, I'm completely lost as to what you think is unfair/untrue about that thread title. It's a thread about Carrell and Polk, and it contains stealing, pedophile, and other accusations. What am I missing?

jbouton spends too much time writing long posts and not enough time embedding videos.

Pretty sure I'm the one who changed the thread title to that. What's your issue with it?

To be 100% clear: I don't care about Doug Polk one way or the other. I also have no idea why adults on 2+2 obsess over him like 12-year olds over a boy group.

Just because you spend a lot of time looking into this topic that doesn't mean everyone else has to do the same thing. People are allowed to post their opinion without watching hours of videos and other stuff. We're not a scientific community. I certainly won't watch any video on the subject.

The good thing about it is that you're already in the correct place to complain about his postings!

No idea what his issue with it is because I ain't reading walls of text, but the title suggests that either Charlie or Doug is accused of being a pedophile, instead of a pedophile apologist or sympathizer or whatever it was. I don't really care though, I just wanted to post something after going through the effort to scroll through all that

It would probably be a good idea if the parenthetical is removed from the title of that thread (at least remove "pedophile").

Ok but bobo fett otherwise has the reputation and personailty such that it makes no sense he doesn't see what you just reponsded to. So the following quotes are going to be mods that aren't saying 'i disagree with your opinion on the subject' they are saying 'jbouton i don't SEE what you are referencing.' And yet YOU
acknowledge it exists. None of this however is the point I will explain....

This is an ad hominen without intent to bring or address any of content. it should be removed ESPECIALLY from the moderation thread.

I think you should have a discussion with whosnext because you aren't seeing something that we are. But I am also going to explain something that I think none of you see.


Whois next verified.

BULL ****. I call bs. You stating that i make walls of text, does NOT erase this **** from the internet. It just IMPLIES you have erased it. EVERYONE knows not only is it charlie that is being accused but that hes being harassed by it. You are SAYING you don't see it or believe it but its CLEAR.

You guys have lost the plot. I understand that traditionally the way this place has worked was accounts can just brush things under that table as an ignorant mass and that mods could ring fence and support narratives.

I have always made fun of this place as being full of spooks and an fbi hang out. Humor this for a moment and laugh with me for a second. Doug has OBVIOUSLY caused damage to this guys life and regardless of gregorios inability to see this the us justice system will OBVIOUSLY side with charlie. Doug OBVIOUSLY cannot admit what he did nor apologize because his laywers are telling him what to do and say.

but think about that....how are you going to scrub from the internet that two plus two was the MAIN place where this defamation happened and was organized. My understanding is typically it was mason/skalansky constitution that protected this place in this regard....

I consider you about a group of fbi lackies left behind from an artifact of black friday. thats like jokey metaphor...

You guys have CLEARLY lost the plot.

jbouton, if you want to have a conversation about this issue, you need to focus a bit IMO - you're all over the place. I mean, we've gone from an issue with the thread title to "You guys have CLEARLY lost the plot."

You've got whosnext's post doing a lot of heavy lifting. He said "It would probably be a good idea if the parenthetical is removed from the title of that thread (at least remove "pedophile").", and you've taken that to mean he sees something others don't, and I'm not sure what that's supposed to be. He's said nothing about why it should be removed, so I don't know how you can be so certain of what he sees that no one else does. And to be clear, I don't have an issue with the thread title being changed in such a fashion, I just don't see it as a big deal either way at this point. It may not be needed, perhaps it causes some confusion, but those are just guesses on my part as to what your objection is or what whosnext's rationale might be.

I asked you "I'm completely lost as to what you think is unfair/untrue about that thread title. It's a thread about Carrell and Polk, and it contains stealing, pedophile, and other accusations. What am I missing?", and that hasn't been answered.

You might want to at least get screened for narcissism.

The more I read his posts, the more I think jbouton would make for a very interesting mod.

He would certainly spice things up a bit around here. How about mod for a day just to see what happens?

This is inaccurate. Until this post, I didn't know. Nor did I care. I have never opened the thread, and the title just told me that two people (only one of whom I had previously heard of) were throwing accusations at each other. As that kind of drama does not interest me, I did not know which of them was accusing the other of what. The thread title warns people what is inside, so they can go in if that kind of drama interests them, or avoid it if not. I choose option B.

I still don't know why the thread title is inaccurate. If somebody wants to change it, I have no objections to that.

That was exactly my reasoning. Personally, outside post reports I stay far away from those kinds of threads.