Why do my tasteful and well considered posts get deleted all the time? Why do I get arbitrarily temp-banned and pseudo self-banned?

Let me tell you; I am blatantly being marginalised by mods who are english xenophobes. american culture transcends politics, an off the cuff remark about guns/obesity is not "politarding" - it's a known fact in the real world.

Recent PGC censorship really takes the cake. It's a disgrace that my positive input was immediately rebuffed without explanation. It's like the mods can't see what everybody else can see.

Scandalous.

This thread is only for NVG issues. For other parts of the forum you need to post in their own moderation thread or ATF.

Quoting for "enough already".

What VideoPro said, but since I'm here and a PG&C mod, I'll respond to a couple of points.

Sure, one could argue that "an off the cuff remark about guns/obesity" isn't politarding on its own, but it's not usually important/relevant to the conversation, and much more importantly, often leads to a political derail, so mods will delete posts like that trying to avoid the inevitable.

As for PG&C, we're pretty hands-off there, and typically only respond to post reports. But when they are reported, we'll often delete personal attacks, trolls, and derails, and will usually be pretty liberal with the OP requests we'll grant. IE if a particular OP wants his thread to be more civil and reports a few more posts, we're usually fine with dealing with them, even if that means some threads are modded a little differently than others. Really, that's mostly a function of the fact that PG&C is not meant for trolling, but mods don't proactively enforce that, and instead rely on post reports.

I recall deleting one of your posts the other day, which was part of a brief insult exchange - didn't think it was all that noteworthy at the time. Sorry if you felt that was censoring you.

If you have further PG&C concerns, feel free to PM me.

I thought poker transcended politics but unfortunately the forum seems to be commanded by dyed in the wool thatcherites (lower case intended)

Well, that's very helpful.

Whats the decision process behind which threads get deleted and which get locked? Noticed some harmless threads i have posted in have totally disappeared while others like the one below get locked and the link/advertisement isn't deleted. Seems pretty GTO to post a thread u know is getting locked to advertise your social media platform.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-vlog-1719657/

Heh, just saw this after deleting the thread. Agree that those should be deleted, or at least the link should be.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but a member sent me an unnecessary insulting PM that would be against site rules had he posted it on a board. Is this allowed? If not, how do I go about reporting him? Thanks

I would suggest forwarding the message to a mod.

Why does it matter if DigitalFox posts image macros or videos? Calling him out for word capitalization and suit emoticons seems extremely nitpicky. Is this stuff really bothering anyone?

He's completely harmless. In fact, he's probably the most positive upbeat poster in this subforum full of disgruntled cynics (myself included). His thread sucked and was rightfully moved, but pretty weak driving someone like this away for trivialities like posting style imo.

Let me start with some general comments:

(1) NVG is lightly moderated, even though anyone who has a post deleted or receives an infraction would probably disagree. Everyone who is at all familiar with NVG knows that mods allow a huge number of crappy posts on a daily basis. That has become, for better or worse, part of the "charm" of NVG.

(2) NVG has few rules but members should be expected to follow those rules that we do have. One of the rules is to avoid cluttering up threads with low/no-content posts. In my mind off-topic video posts fall into the category of "low/no-content posts".

(3) NVG is moderated by a small collection of people who have been mods for many years. There is a fairly active thread in the mod forum dedicated to NVG moderation where various issues are discussed. Of course, we all don't necessarily 100% agree with every decision made, but we all strive to keep NVG running smoothly and enhance NVG members' experience.

Now a few comments related specifically to DigitalFox:

(4) Posts made by DigitalFox had been reported over the years for being annoying and cluttering up threads.

(5) DigitalFox was the topic of conversation in the NVG mod forum thread on several occasions.

(6) Mods had given him numerous suggestions/warnings/infractions over the years. It got to a point where eventually it was suggested that he restrict his off-topic video posts to the "Low Content" and "Videos to Watch while Playing Poker" NVG threads.

(7) He chose to ignore those suggestions/warnings/infractions. Most recently, in response to a spate of more additional off-topic video posts in various NVG threads, he was warned that additional off-topic video posting could lead to a permanent ban.

(8) Right after he received and acknowledged receipt of the final warning, he posted several additional off-topic videos.

(9) He then received a permanent ban (actually the ban was given several hours later).

Summary: The poster in question posted several hundred off-topic video posts which cluttered up several NVG threads over the years. These posts annoyed members (including mods) and led to numerous suggestions/warnings/infractions. It finally reached a point where his actions led to a permanent ban, and his final actions could be interpreted as "accepting" a permanent ban.

Final remarks: Mods (including me) are not perfect. Mods (including me) make mistakes all the time. Having said that, I am entirely comfortable with how DigitalFox was treated by the NVG mods (including me).

Very interesting - when I reread the post of mine you quoted, wow, does it ever sound bitter and petty. And I'd agree with you, calling out the capitalization and the emoticons was nitpicky, and not on point - completely unneeded. Mea culpa.

But to bring the context back to my post, I think what got me going was the way he was portraying things. He had been warned many times before about his OT video posting, and mods had finally had enough and told him no more video posting, but he posts about it as if he had been told he was going to be banned for posting something positive. Still doesn't make me any less of an angry elf in that post, but that's where I was coming from.

Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. He certainly isn't one of those negative trolls who tries to tear everything down, so I see where you're coming from there. In the end, I think it came down to his constant NC/OT posts, and his unwillingness to change at all, and not the more trivial aspects I threw into that post. But I should add, when you get to 99 infraction points and then read what I posted, when you decide to double down with a whole bunch of the same thing, that's some pretty heavy duty trolling IMO.

Suprisingly, that was pretty funny post

hmmm, since you believe bolded true then you assert DnegsPR is a troll.

Trolling is discouraged , but according to your post it sounds like its OK as long its good trolling ??

I have occasionally trolled in the past ( but at the highest levels imo ) and gotten called out for it, which is the only reason I ask.

Key word is discouraged instead of not allowed. Probably cuz most people suck at it. I wasn't around to witness your trolling, but I usually trust the judgement of the mods on such matters.

sorry, obviously should have posted here.

I was surprised that Thomas (sans award winning video parodies) actually posted something funny and just spewed on with other part .

oh you were here. one attribute of high level trolling is that few if any realize whats going on. so I'll take that as a compliment. admittedly more times than not it was troll fail on my part.

I think you should change the thread title. It's missing an "n."

yeah, sure.

Posting this here (re: the TW thread) since it includes mod discussion.

There was a thread created by one of Todd's backers with a similar "scam" title back in July 2017.

That thread title was quickly changed, and Mason was one of the posters ITT who defended Todd b/c the OP's claims were unsubstantiated. That thread was locked soon thereafter.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...olved-1674032/

IMO it's pretty clear this is a topic NVG contributors want to discuss, plus there's new information being posted.

Why should Mason be critiqued when: (a) he already posted saying the thread's status is up to moderators, and (b) he has zero involvement in the creation of the issue, which is 100% confirmed to have been carried out by those PFA posters who ran the hoax?

I don't think it's fair to criticize Mason just b/c what he's communicated over the years re: Todd happens to coincide with some of the concerns being brought forth by posters.

I really don't have anything to add to your post, but I just wanted to say I appreciate you making the effort to post it in this NVG Moderation thread.

I cant rem anytime I complained about moderating. you all do the lords work.

but my post in Dnegs thread that was just deleted was as valid as post talking about his hairstyle and such.

#sad

I will wait another 50 posts and try again

Thanks SrslySirius I have gone over borne many times in threads on 2+2 and truthfully I try to only post positive I can understand how it can sometimes be a bit overwhelming I never mean to take away from any post that's not not My intent I wish everyone well and, am Happy to be back Thanks again SrslySirius Wish You all the best . . .

R*R was the main person who stud up 4 Me I don't know if I would still be here, without Him so Thank You . . .

What this is all about? D1G1TALFOX has never blip'd on my radar as a daily NVG reader for a few years...

I don't think we need forum rubbernecking.