Hey,

so is anyone able to give an overview about the way the .es tax policies work?

Do spanish players have to declare Taxes on their Winnings when they Cash out?

Or will just every Player get insta-taxed on a daily/weekly/monthly base , same as Greece basically?

Are Players with an .es Account but without a spanish Residence affected at all?

Thanks in Advance for every answer on this !

Someone based in the Netherlands got this reply from Pokerstars.

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Hello Tim,

Thank you for your email.

It is now possible to open an account in the .ES client. However, in order to do this, you need to physically be in Spain.

The purpose of the new rule is to allow foreigners, who are on holiday in Spain, to play. Also, you will only be allowed to play for 30 days.

If you have any follow-up questions regarding the same matter, please also include this email in your reply so that we will be able to refer to it.

We hope you have answered your queries but if you have any further questions, please let us now.

Regards,

Anke
Stars Support

do you guys even read the thread before you post? I feel like I am reading the same **** from 2 pages ago.

Hey there
Did someone not resident in Spain(that is playing on pokerstars.com) opened account on pokerstars.es ... played some games (MTTs or cash)... withdraw some $$...and got those $$ that he withdrawed on his bank/skrill/neteller w/e account???

Can some one that did this please share his experience??
How much money did he received on his bank/skrill/neteller account, did he got taxed some % of the $$ or he received full amount of the money he had withdrawed???
how long it took for money to get from pokerstars.es account to => bank/skrill/neteller account??

Hello Karsten,

Thank you for your query.

Due to the recent changes in French and Spanish law that allow players from both countries to share the same player pool, we are now allowing customers with Stars Accounts on the .EU and .COM platform to create a new account on the .ES platform.

Even if you have an existing real money .EU or .COM account and wish to play at the .ES license, you will be able to create a .ES account, which will need to be verified in accordance with ES regulations. This simple process requires you to send us documentation of your identity and your mailing address within 30 days. In order to validate your account, you will need to provide:

- A clear copy of the front and back of your government-issued photo ID (national ID card, passport or driver's license)
- A clear copy of a utility bill that shows your full name and complete mailing address (landline telephone, gas, electricity, Internet bill, or bank statement)

Please be aware that you will be unable to transfer any balances to or from an account belonging to another license.

Should you have any further questions on playing on our .ES license, do not hesitate to contact us back.

Regards,

Tor-Erik
Stars Support

Either Anke or Tor-Erik is wrong....i guess it's Anke

From the tests I did I also guess Anke's wrong.

But it doesn't sound like this will last long due to France's point of view, as what spain decides to do creates a paradox for France, directly affecting their regulation from their POV.

In the end it looks to me like this:

France> "Hey, I don't allow anyone to smoke at my house."
Spain> "Good for you, but I allow anyone to smoke at my house."
France> "We can sare a house and live together."

I tried to register an .es account and it told me to f off bc I already have a ps account. Is it supposed to be like this? I have .eu and .fr accounts but haven't played on .fr since they kicked non-french out. Can I now use my .fr account to play on this new pool or not?

From what I've understood Stars' customer service has really gone down south due to cost savings(?) post-Amaya.

Is there really no Stars rep. on 2+2 that could give us an official statement on this situation, tax & withdrawal questions and whatnot that has been asked here?

From the perspective of PS, that was a smart move.
From the perspective of the french players and the french regulatory authority it is pure bull****.
I'm pretty sure, the theater is not over yet.

Im sure theres either a lawsuit incoming or Spain will change their policy once more.
According to the july agreement 2016 it clearly states that there will be a shared pool with 4 countries. If one of those countries decide to open it up to ROW then what the hack is the purpose of this 6 year negiotiated treaty btween those 4 countries.

Have had a quick read through and couldnt see it yet, can you now play from Portugal or has that country not been added yet?

Not necessarily

My friend is in the Netherlands and got that email , however i got a Brazilian friend who sent the same question and got the email you posted.

My Brazilian friend just sent another email to Stars asking specifically if they confirm he can play with real money in Stars.es , what is the rake and if there are any problems with him being phisically in Brazil , hes waiting for the reply.

Maybe they have different policies for each country ,
my position remains as this goes against the Rome agreement.
The European Union should do a closed legal pool but what this shows
is the complete incompetence and ignorance of the lawmakers
and lack of vision on the long term.

Players from ps.EU can play also in ps.es. Thats the anwswer I got from support. The last question is if we need to pay their government tax which is 25-45% from proffit

Poor Karsten

Netherlands is from .Eu right ? And he got a clear reply telling him he cant.

This is a big mess .

Confirmed.
You get lucky if support even reads your mail and not just scans for keywords and copy/paste an FAQ text that might somehow fit. I would not recommend anyone to rely on this kind of info. I mean even from the couple posts itt everyone sees support has no idea what they're doing, giving out contradicting info etc.

Yes, please! I seriously can't believe a company that spends 4.5bn on purchasing a platform is incapable of making a simple clear statement what is allowed and how exactly it works on the biggest poker board out there. Come on Amaya...

I too got wrong info from stars support at first. The first email they sent me didnt even make sense, so i asked again and this time they got me the apologies etc with the download links.

Might be wrong or out of date, but isn't Netherlands a country with its own licensing regime whereas Brazil is a grey market country?

That would be the explanation for the difference for people who've read the last couple of pages of the thread.

+1, seems logical

This is what puzzles me . Its just so nonsense.

4 Countries have been negotiating for years to make a shared pool based on the principle , its European Union and Regulated market + only players PHISICALLy in those countries
could play , this is what you read time and time again during 2-3 years.

Now you CANNOT have UK , Netherlands , Belgium wich i think are all regulated markets in the EU , but you can have Countries in a so called Grey area joining this pool . This completely subverts the principle of the agreement and its very very bad Pokerstars doesnt understand this.

If People within the EU could join from regulated markets it would be at least somewhat logic , whats happening in case its true is more serious and damaging in the long run thatn people imagine , because in a matter of days people+ the govs will ask Spain and Pokerstars whats going on.

Netherlands isn't regulated, think the UK and Belgium are

Just saw a Russian player on the .ES tables

Also, seeing players from the other countries other than Spain and France

I doubt that as France is already wide open to any countries and has been from Day 1

not ps.fr after january of 2017th

Lol ?
This has no link to the post I was referring to. PS.fr ban is a corporate decision that has been clearly explained by Tuesday PS launch of FR/ES.
ARJEL and state never stood against foreigners playinf in the fr pool and I stated ARJEL official view of PS.es opening to foreigners earlier in this thread.