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Originally Posted by Hood
This is going off the deep end a bit and erring into troll territory. I'm trying to help - if you don't want to listen to what i'm saying, that's fine; i have no agenda here. This will be my last post on this topic as I feel like I've laid out all the facts as I know them, as clearly as I can.
I have read the Spanish regs. I'm not really sure why you're arguing this - I can tell you none of the above is true. Are you really saying that 888 and party flouted the regs for months and months with no repurcussions, and now PokerStars is going to do this same? [edit: this is rhetorical!]
I don't think you understand how the tax works. Spanish igaming regulations charge ~22% tax on gaming revenue. Revenue generated from all spanish accounts (including foreigners!) will be declared to Spanish authorities.
So no, Spain will not collect "zero from a guy from other country". They will collect gaming revenue.
Seperate to this, Spanish winners must pay a personal income tax on their profits, much like elsewhere.
Already do, and it is paid.
Yes, they collected back-tax before licenses were sent out, arguing that operators ran online gambling in the country prior to regulation which was illegal. Operators paid up because they couldn't risk not getting a license. Not sure how this is relevant.
I am just trying to understand the logic of this situation.
Can you please link me to the text/regulations of Spain ? (About opening an account)
That information is not the one i have , or if you could copy paste here in case its not very long it would be great
I dont know what happened in 888 or party , they still operate in Spain ?
Why did they do it for months and reading from what you wrote , after that they stoped ?
About the tax what i was referring it was precisely the tax payed by players not the gaming revenue payed by a site .
So.....4 countries make a deal with a closed market and one of them would allow players from abroad to enter that market , and only get the revenue from those players
At the same time you say Pokerstars.fr closed so Pokerstars would move ROW to Spain where tax is lower .
What puzzles me and amuses me its this :
Now what do you think the Italy or Portuguese or France gov will do when one of the members of this "treaty" would get
ALL the row players
in theyr client and all the 22% gaming revenue ?
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"The technical system ensures that players with a Spanish user account can only share liquidity with players with accounts registered in EEA countries whose authorities have signed the July agreement [currently France, Italy and Portugal]"
I completely understand your point/interpretation however and once again
Spain states clearly they can only play with countries in EEA+July agreement but at the same time they would allow players OUTSIDE the EEA to register
making this agreement and principle behind it completely ignored.
Do you see any logic in this ?
In legal terms is completely illogical , please notice this
im not criticising you , im thankfull for your information , its just that this doesnt make any sense.I think everything is possible btw
If this is true i ask myself if its complete incompetence from the spanish gov
and what will the other countries do when they know this.
At the same time if Pokerstars knows what was the spirit of the agreement
+ the law , by allowing this i doubt they come out unharmed.