Doesn't run and 0 players atm.

On nl500+ the traffic its near 0 and when there is traffic its full regular ..... its just horrible for the winrate .....

50 players at nl100, 1 at nl200.

Friday 4:30pm Finnish time:
24 plo200z (party 7x6)
6 plo100 (party 6x6)
22 plo50
43 plo25z, 13 plo25
22 plo10
4 plo5
40 plo2z, 12 plo2.

what you mean by "party"? I don't see any plo tables on party.es

Run it twice removed on pokerstars.ES ? wtf

Night schedule needs to be improved. A Stars rep would be very welcome to this thread.

Btw, why call it FR-ES-PT? Most people i see on the tables are from other countries and they are all regs.

The morning/noon schedule on PokerStars also needs improvement. There's very few Hots, Bigs and Progressives and the ones that are there could really benefit from at least 1 re-entry.

By the way PartyPoker is already sharing liquidity between France and Spain. Will "soon" be in Portugal and they won't allow foreign accounts like PokerStars.es is doing. The problem with that is that the normal reg-rec ratio is broken at the higher stakes. Recreational don't have any incentive (or the knowledge they can do it) to register on this site if they can play on .com. Regulars on the other hand have all the incentive to join a smaller pool where games have less variance and may be softer because the best regs moved out from this countries long ago.

with the fusion the PLO tables also finally opened on party. With up to 40% rb + deposit bonus I really don't see why one should choose Stars over Party now.

Edit: As I post this I get half tilted already with the software. This is definitely a factor Party needs to work on.

just to correct my last post: there is NO rakeback on party.es. Only a deposit bonus.

Has Party.ES also already shared pool with France/Portugal? And about Winamax still nothing?

Is this for real? Any info about what motivates this?

PartyPoker is sharing liquidity with France and Spain. They are still waiting for the Portuguese license. Nothing about Winamax yet.

yes, it's for real. Got confirmation per e-mail: no weekly cashback and was instead redirected to their promotions page (https://www.partypoker.es/whats-goin...romotions.html). No idea why, didn't ask that much. I guess I'll clear the first deposit bonus and go back to stars. I really didn't want to, but Party enters the merged FR/ES market with a worse software, worse traffic and adds absolutely no incentive for players to move sites. Disappointing, to say the least.

They have to pay tax and that money has to come from somewhere.

Winamax has added Spain to their playerpool, i received a notification a couple days ago to register an account. Im curious what will happen to the other countries in that same pool on Winamax.

They will presumably remain; no reason why they would shut it off. It looks like Spanish registration may also be open internationally.

I just dont see the point of calling it FR-ES-PT. This is the mini stars.com. I see more Brazilian than Portuguese guys playing.

PS: it would help a lot if a stars representative could come to this thread or open a new thread where they could hear people feedback on MTT schedule and other stuff.

have you read the thread? the point is in here multiple times

In cash games decreased from 6.5%->5.75%, however rakeback will decrease 25% and some rake caps already increased by 8-20%. Haven't been playing much since Spain joined, but doesn't seem liquidity is up much. Wina is probably not an established brand outside France. Also in FRESPT reg:rec ratio seems much higher in PT/ES than in FR.

its more like stars.com un-taxed and stars.fresp gov taxed. a v2.0 of amaya motto`s more rake is better.

amaya/reps will not care about this thread, neither the regs.
one of their biggest goals was to kill the regs and that has been proven; since the changes along the last years and most recently the new outrageous MTT payout structure.

There are reps in the major forums of the French and Spanish online poker communities; it's just that community is not 2+2.

While they are open in other markets, they are not actively promoting the network outside PT/FR/ES. Affiliates have been told not try to attract players outside the country. So it makes sense they take player feedback on French/Spanish forums, not English language ones.


Def not established at all, so it's going to be a slow burn. Entering a new market is not going to change things significantly overnight, especially with Winamax's organic/word of mouth marketing approach.

Completely. And that dream market people talked about before is so far from the truth. Even a small 5€ or 10€ Regular MTT is crawled with regs. I don't see the point of spending years to legislate a market and then you allow foreign counties to enter.

Also, from a different point of view is completely unfair that other counties can penetrate the bubble of our market to find better games and we can't penetrate into their market. HOW IS THIS FAIR competition?

It's clear that 90% of players from other counties are Regs. Recreationals don't have the knowledge that they can sign in this FRESPT market and those who do don't have any incentive to sign in because they can already play bigger games on .com. The Regulars on the other hand have all the incentive to look for smaller games with less variance while also optimizing their buy ins for the session.

Conclusion: The normal reg-to-rec ratio is completely broken in favor of regulars creating a PREDATORY environment where foreign regs can navigate our waters while the recreational players are trapped in them. The result is that recreationals lose their money faster than they were supposed to without even realizing what is happening... so much for the "legislate to protect the players" lie...

Also from a fair market competition environment this is again very questionable.

As spanish player, I completely agree. And that's why I totally stopped playing pokerstars.frespt and didn't even sing up on Winamax. I just play on Partypoker where fields are smaller and the level is much lower. At the end of the day, I want to make money with poker, so why I should play with the best if I can play a much softer enviroment?

This is the truth, 100%. Couldnt agree more. And to be fair, its just a big disappointment because i have been waiting several years for a Spain/Italy/France market, and it basically became a ROW market with Spain, France and Portugal in it...
We can only hope more clients will offer poker like in the old days, who will focus on the Spanish/France market and wont allow other countries, like iPoker and Microgaming with Unibet once did.

indeed, Joao.Cardoso could not explain it in better terms.

if you are not happy with 500 to 1000 profit per month at the 5s dont worry, most eastern european and latin american regs will be. this is just the beginning, way more accounts will follow until the field is balanced with dot com pool.

guess it goes with the old saying "when you cant beat them, then join them", in this case do the same and move to another sites/pools.