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05-04-2013 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
SNIP...This was put in place again to hinder the abuse/fraud that was going on via the cashout abuse of the affiliate priority system....SNIP
If you believe this you are ******ed. If you don't believe it then you are just as crooked as them. Either way you can't win here.

Why would Lock even need to prioritize cashouts when 100% of the player balances are there. So LOL you are. Go ahead and wait 4 weeks and then play dumb...you won't fool me.
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05-04-2013 , 04:58 PM
I guess if jen Larson says it we can take it to the bank then. phew I was worried for nothing. really all you needed to say was jen told you then we all would have believed it im sure.
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05-04-2013 , 04:58 PM


Ok, so what does it take to be non compliant with this company?
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05-04-2013 , 05:01 PM
That didn't answer the question at all. Do you believe the problem is just with processing and not with solvency, or do you believe there is also a solvency problem? Reading between the lines it sounds like you're saying "I can't talk about that question/give you an answer right now, things will just get better in 3-4 weeks now". Can you state this directly so that I'm not confused/don't read into what you're saying the wrong way?
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05-04-2013 , 05:01 PM
I guess jen Larson will be taking you on one more life changing trip . called the lock shutdown tour.
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05-04-2013 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
That didn't answer the question at all. Do you believe the problem is just with processing and not with solvency, or do you believe there is also a solvency problem? Reading between the lines it sounds like you're saying "I can't talk about that question/give you an answer right now, things will just get better in 3-4 weeks now". Can you state this directly so that I'm not confused/don't read into what you're saying the wrong way?
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
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05-04-2013 , 05:05 PM
Primordial, Callisto, and all Lock Pros-

I propose a simple solution.

"I [insert Lock "Pro" name here] will give all compensation received as a Lock Pro back to players if:

a. the site does not have segregated funds
b. or cashout times do not return to normalcy after the 4 week period stated

-signed [Lock "Pro" name here]
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05-04-2013 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I agree. That's why, instead of accepting empty assurances that "things will get better in 3-4 weeks", we should be pressing the solvency issue.

The cash out issues are directly related to solvency. Assure the players you are solvent, the cash out crisis dies down as people are reassured their money is coming eventually.

Continue saying "we're working to improve cash out times" answers nothing, and we should constantly call anyone who acts as a spokesperson for Lock on that.

So stop telling people about cash out times and start talking about solvency. If you can't, then your comments are essentially worthless and you should be called out on that.

That's my take on the situation.
In a post BF world, it's pretty obvious that they are insolvent. If they could come out and show segregated balances in the next 24 hours, it would likely be worth millions to them by the end of the year.

Pros just need to keep their mouth shut or jump ship. Based on this thread, they will never get the answers that we want.
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05-04-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
sad tbh given all the facts and recent events that jens word outweighs any logic. Seems almost cult like or a level on your part.
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05-04-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
You'll excuse us if your conviction of solvency isn't really sufficient, and it's kind of insulting.

Tell Lock to convince everyone of their solvency. Another mouthpiece saying "don't worry, it's getting fixed" means nothing without proof.
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05-04-2013 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
Can you also clear out the "transfer policy" issue completely? Extremely important atm.
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05-04-2013 , 05:12 PM
The only thing worse then an online poker scam of this magnitude, is having to hear about it from Dan Druff.
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05-04-2013 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
So they waited until their business was in the toilet before tackling the exorbitant cashout delays problem even though they had all the funds?

You're such a funny guy.
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05-04-2013 , 05:12 PM
Hasn't Lock given timeframes for cashout improvements several times in the past?

What makes this time any different?
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05-04-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
Thanks for the post Brian. I understand where everyone is coming from but all I can tell you (and everyone else) that after my recent conversations I am as confident as I have ever been. We've been given an exact deadline (the first time i've ever been told one) when it will be better, and that can be all of your gauge on how things are, I understand this won't stop another 30 pages of the same posters posting the same things (again, I get it) but I won't have too much to say until 3-4 weeks are up and we see what happens.

That said yes lol I will buy as much as your able/willing to sell at 0.1, I have stayed out of buying/selling funds because of how people can/could perceive it but at 0.1 I'll buy pretty much infinite. You have me on Skype so just shoot me a msg in the next few days ornce I get back to Vanc and i'll buy whatever, but I like I said with all of my knowledge I feel confident (I know that seems absurd to some of you) and I wouldn't sell so low if I were you


edit: to the people who think I like don't have a vested interest in this myself and plenty of close friends who I signed up/referred in the past have tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars of our own $ on the site, I obv have plenty of "my own skin in the game" as well as my reputation and relationship with close friends. I very much have a lot on the line here both personally and financially and like I said in an earlier post I would never be representing a company that I didn't believe in. From everything I know and from the conversations I have had I feel as confident as I ever have that things will improve in the timeframe given, and that everyone's (myself included) money is financially covered and we will be able to withdraw it in a timely manner in the near future. Again all I can go on is what I know, have been told, and the level of trust I have formed with the people it's coming from and with all of that I have a very renewed sense of confidence that things will get better. Obv we will not know until 3-4 weeks, what else can I say except to continue to repeat that. Get back to me in 3-4 weeks and if nothing has improved we'll have infinitely more to talk about, I know it has been being put off for a while but we were told this is CONCRETE and can be given out to everyone, this is the first time this has happened and that's why I am so bullish with all of you on it. My judgement isn't always perfect but I'm making the best decision I can at the moment and all of the information I have and people I trust have pointed me to saying wait it out, things will get better, 3-4 weeks we will see improvements.
I'm dumbfounded by your inability to see the big picture rationally. What makes you think why 3-4 weeks is going to magically clear up the astounding number of cashout problems that have been going on for months or dare I say over a year? What makes you think Lock, of all poker sites, are going to dodge the financial bullets that killed the bigger, and probably more capable giants? It really sounds like you are drinking the corporate koolaid which is a shame.

There is nothing you alluded to that makes anyone stuck with money feel comfortable. "Wait it out because some ppl I trust said so?" Are you kidding?
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05-04-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
Ok thanks I'm just really dense.

I would like to think that if I were a Lock Pro and telling people to deposit on the site, I would be doing everything possible behind the scenes to make sure that what you're saying is the case and funds are segregated, and it's more than just your trust of Jen. I recognize that this is a complicated situation and that not everything can be public so it's an incomplete picture, so I hope there's a lot more happening than you're not able to say.
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05-04-2013 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kleinstein000
Hasn't Lock given timeframes for cashout improvements several times in the past?

What makes this time any different?
Yes, every month for the last 6 months at least.

And nothing makes it different, except that now the issues have finally drawn major attention outside the Lock forum.
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05-04-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I thought I was clear, yes I do believe the problem is with processing and not with solvency. I said I have a good amount of conviction on all of those to the 3 things that you had mentioned in your post
If all the information that you recently received was so positive and you think things are on the up and up, why did Lock (and it's reps) do their best to cover up the trip to Portugal for all the Pro's?
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05-04-2013 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PlzCoolerMe
If all the information that you recently received was so positive and you think things are on the up and up, why did Lock (and it's reps) do their best to cover up the trip to Portugal for all the Pro's?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-pros-1327217/
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05-04-2013 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
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Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by imjustshane
You really need to work on your inside sources.

While I admire your efforts, they are severely lacking in actual facts.
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05-04-2013 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chinamaniac
I know about that thread, I wanted Primordial to answer the question.
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05-04-2013 , 05:26 PM
Someone should post a list of all Lock Pros, so people know who to push on.
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05-04-2013 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA
I do have a good deal of conviction about all the things mentioned here, but when it comes down to it Jen seems like an incredibly sincere and hardworking person and has never EVER done me wrong in any way and there are people who were there much longer than I have been, and over the past 5+ years from the days when Lock was infinitely smaller and existing long pre-BF, etc.,etc. who will echo the same sentiments. I can tell you that she looked me dead in the eye, gave me a timeframe for huge improvements in cashout timing, and I believe her, 100%.
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05-04-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Azizal
Someone should post a list of all Lock Pros, so people know who to push on.
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Originally Posted by bazaro
Please tweet at the following people asking for answers:

Bolded names are people listed on the website who have made it big time in poker but yet think its okay to support this site and shill for a few extra k

TheGrinder Michael Mizrachi https://twitter.com/TheGrinder44
FelipeMojave Felipe Ramos https://twitter.com/FelipeMojave
Annette15 Annette Obrestad https://twitter.com/Annette_15
Callisto Melanie Weisner https://twitter.com/melanieweisner
ChrisMoorman Chris Moorman https://twitter.com/Moorman1
EricLynch Eric Lynch https://twitter.com/Rizen1020
NickyEvans Nicky Evans https://twitter.com/nickyevanspoker
Paulgees Paul Volpe https://twitter.com/paulgees81
Pls3bEtMe Pedro Maia
JaspudUF Jason Lee https://twitter.com/JaspudUF
HokieGreg Greg Tiller https://twitter.com/HokieGreg
JaredHubbard Jared Hubbard https://twitter.com/jhubpoker
Bigdogpckt5s Casey Jarzabek https://twitter.com/bigdogpckt5s
PrimordialAA Bryan Pellegrino https://twitter.com/PrimordialAA
Bigguylegend22 Michael Drummond https://twitter.com/BigGuyLegend
BrettJungblut Brett Jungblut https://twitter.com/gank
StevieDevlin Stephen Devlin
MattStout Matt Stout https://twitter.com/MattStoutPoker
IceWater17 Brian Martinez https://twitter.com/IceWater_17
YuranPt Francisco Costa https://twitter.com/YuranPt
JustFold22 Jonathan Standen
AznAllin007 Marc Alioto https://twitter.com/MarcAlioto
Aumnicient Wesley Clark https://twitter.com/aumnicient
Hurricanejeff Jeffrey Romano https://twitter.com/hurr1canejeff
XGENERALTS0x Michael Hahn https://twitter.com/mrhahn5
Rickpereira7 Ricardo Pereira https://twitter.com/rickpereira7
EVConsultant Emanuel Ferreira https://twitter.com/EVConsultant
SkyboyPT Pedro Oliveira
Esmone David Abreu

i know that this won't get us the answers we want, but at least we can place pressure on people who betray or undermine our community
.
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05-04-2013 , 05:28 PM
Longtime Lock hater, **** them and their shady pro's. While they should be called out, the best way is just for everyone else to stop selling themselves out as well and stop playing for this p.o.s. site.

Working for lock and refusing to accept it as payment for shares, while accepting other sites is so ****ing LOL. If it wasn't obv how scummy lock was before, it should be crystal clear to anyone now.

Everyone cut your losses and get off Lock asap.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 05-04-2013 at 05:30 PM. Reason: don't circumvent the profanity filter
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