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View Poll Results: How long before Isildur1 goes busto poll question

Isildur1 will not make it out of November before going busto

142 8.29%

Will not see year 2010 before going busto

376 21.95%

Will go busto early in year 2010

189 11.03%

Will not go busto for a very long time

182 10.62%

Isildur1 will not go busto, period !

348 20.32%

Who is Idildur1

189 11.03%

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11-25-2009 , 01:02 PM

#751

anthonyjf23

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 292

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAGRESSOR

Isildur and Zigmund about to start playing Zigmund tells him it will just take a minute or 2 to poo, should be interesting

fyp

11-25-2009 , 01:03 PM

#752

Daleroxxu

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,258

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolimitfiend

Overheard at the nail salon

Mrs. Hellmuth: "So how's your boy doing these days?"

Mrs. Dwan: "Little Tommy's had a few business setbacks lately. He tells me a Swedish competitor, using questionable business practices is moving in on his territory."

Mrs. Hellmuth: "Oh, that's too bad! My son is always talking about Tommy's future." (Like how he would be surprised if he's even in business five years from now)

Mrs. Ilsidur1: "Tee hee"

Mrs. Dwan: "Did you say something dear?"

Mrs. Ilsidur1: "Oh, no. I just saw something funny in my People Magazine."

Mrs. Hellmuth: "You know, my son tells me he is the best in the world. I'm sure he could show this Swedish competitor a thing or two." (What kind of pansy did you raise? Letting some idiot Northern European get the best of him.)

Mrs. Ilsidur1: Gagging and spitting up her mocha latte

Mrs. Hellmuth: "Is there something wrong?."

Mrs. Ilsidur1: "No, I just had a little trouble with my latte." Gets up, hands the manicurist a couple of hundred, "Keep the change, it's my son's treat". Leaves.

Mrs. Hellmuth: "Who was that anyway?"

Manicurist: "No one has a clue, she's new in town."

hahaha, do more of these

11-25-2009 , 01:04 PM

#753

3betu

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,927

isildur1 does not play limp game.

11-25-2009 , 01:31 PM

#754

kimos123

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,866

Isildur1: split at more tables ?
Ziigmund: i have money
Isildur1: ok
Ziigmund: but cant play more tables
Isildur1: i am to tired to play 2 tables right now
Ziigmund: 3 mqx
Isildur1: ok then
Ziigmund: max
Isildur1: u comming ??
Ziigmund: i can play only 2
Ziigmund: cant get for screen
Ziigmund: 3
Ziigmund: playing different computer
Isildur1: 3
Ziigmund: then we have to quit
Isildur1: ok
Isildur1: i want play 2
Isildur1: gg

11-25-2009 , 03:06 PM

#755

cman24687

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,802

http://www.pokerbloggs.com/high-stak...blom-biography

maybe its already been posted

11-25-2009 , 03:51 PM

#756

Such A Card

adept

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambeon

David Benyamine: 300 600 plo
Isildur1: i play that if we botg allways potbet to 2 k pre-flop

What the hell does botg mean?

11-25-2009 , 03:53 PM

#757

RaiseWanMiryon

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,258

typo of 'both' imo

11-25-2009 , 03:55 PM

#758

CallMeCapo

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 269

51 pages in thread. I'm lazy.

But from Ansky's blog (http://www.anskypoker.com/) :

Quote:

Isildur1 didn’t change poker as we know it (as INTERNETPOKERS claimed). He’s gonna be more a flash in the pan – crushing one month, gone the next.

Last edited by CallMeCapo; 11-25-2009 at 03:55 PM. Reason: source

11-25-2009 , 04:01 PM

#759

Such A Card

adept

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,131

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaiseWanMiryon

typo of 'both' imo

That makes sense. I thought it was some weird poker lingo/acronym.

11-25-2009 , 04:05 PM

#760

Maxaon

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,856

Quote:

Originally Posted by CallMeCapo

51 pages in thread. I'm lazy.

But from Ansky's blog (http://www.anskypoker.com/) :

Can anyone link the 2p2 post that the blog was referring to?

11-25-2009 , 04:14 PM

#761

DeepFryer

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 686

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaksha

And pretty much all the HS-regs disagree with you :P It's considered unethical in those games to hit'n'run. There is an expectation at that level to give people the chance to recover if you're going to get action again. All the top pros recognise this in interviews, books, chat etc. They nearly all got pissed off with Mark Vos and his short-stacking, they all get pissed when people hit n run. Because these actions are beyond expectation for a fair game. This isn't some wild utopian theory :P

Have you actually heard this from PA, Ivey, Durrrr, and the other top online pros... or are you making some assumptions here? You should provide some quotes IMO.

Anyway, I don't think anyone should feel obligated to play any game they don't want to... play your best games, make teh moneys.

11-25-2009 , 04:45 PM

#762

Yaksha

adept

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,103

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepFryer

Have you actually heard this from PA, Ivey, Durrrr, and the other top online pros... or are you making some assumptions here? You should provide some quotes IMO.

Certainly have heard of from Ivey and Durrr, not specifically from PA.
But it is common knowledge. I already posted a link here to a quote where Ivey is giving Lederer **** for not giving action, so he won't make a prop bet with him. Negreanu makes several comments in one of the HSP episodes about this, Durrr has made constant references in chat, and even PA did promise to give isil NL action and then backed out.

Frankly I'm pretty surprised that anyone is considering this contentious enough to require quotes :P It's pretty basic. Nearly everybody has a 'best' game, or best set of circumstances (multi-tabling, live/online etc) - if everybody exclusively played only on their terms then nobody would be playing poker at the highest stakes. They all accomodate others strengths for the health of the game and so they can get action on their strengths too, and you just gotta hope that your weaknesses aren't as pronounced as your opponents when he's playing 'your' game.

So sure, it's probably profitable for PA to take advantage of isil and consistently refuse to play him on his terms, but it's anything but 'genius' or 'respectable' like others here are implying to me.. Durrr doesn't do that, nor does Ivey.

11-25-2009 , 05:08 PM

#763

cman24687

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,802

guys is it confirmed that isildur is victor blom? http://www.pokerbloggs.com/high-stak...blom-biography

11-25-2009 , 06:02 PM

#764

westswindon

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,345

Just seen this also

11-25-2009 , 06:08 PM

#765

pokerinfokoning

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by senator1214

http://www.coinflip.com/news/isildur...nds-later.html

How many 32,000 "small sample" hand battles have you had sir

Nice link. Looking at it, I actually think durrr's loss is less absolute than it seems from the graphs. Most of these hands are just coolers, especially given how hyper aggro they both are.

For instance, on average, when you play HU, it will happen 1 in 100.000 hands that you will get dealt AK while your opponent is dealt AA. A very rare event, so durrr made no mistake with pushing it their.
Similar stories for him hitting pair+nut-flush draw and running into top-set and so on.
Coolers don't show up in the EV-line either, so if you happen to have AK/KK versus AA a couple of times, when you are both sitting very deep, it looks in the graphs like you are being entirely outplayed, while in fact you just got very unlucky.

11-25-2009 , 06:23 PM

#766

The4thFilm

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 13,472

hi durrrr (he's viewing)

11-25-2009 , 06:45 PM

#767

LadyHoldem

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freudian

PA promised to play NL after some PLO and went back on his word. It is a pretty douche thing to do and it does reflect poorly on him.

That's what I got out of that convo too, I thought it was lame. If you don't wanna play NL whatever, but why you gunna lie and say you'll play later and never play, then act like you never had any intention of doing so.

11-25-2009 , 07:03 PM

#768

DeepFryer

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 686

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yaksha

I know a lot of people have this mindset, but it doesn't make any sense to me. I think it's very respectable to deny action, if the game is -EV. In fact I would lose respect for any gambler who plays a game if they know it is -EV.

Let's say hypothetically that PA is better at PLO, and Isil is better at NLHE. So they agree to play a 50/50 mix of those games, and as a result they are evenly matched against each other in the mixed game. They could play each other for 100 years if they want to, but neither one will make any money. So what's the point? They may as well just smash their heads against a wall instead. It just makes no sense for a pro to play a game where they don't have an edge.

If high-stakes players agree to play a mix of games like HORSE in order to attract fish, that makes sense. Mixed games can be more fun, and they can give wealthy fish the impression that they somehow have a better chance of winning. But for two pros playing each other, I just don't understand it. No one is forcing Isil to play PLO, he can leave at anytime. No one is forcing him to play chess, backgammon or craps either.

11-25-2009 , 07:13 PM

#769

Royle Bluntson

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,075

Quote:

Originally Posted by cman24687

guys is it confirmed that isildur is victor blom? http://www.pokerbloggs.com/high-stak...blom-biography

I'm gona go with confirmed..after hearin about the 2000 to 1.5 mil 3 weeks ago kinda sealed the deal for me

11-25-2009 , 07:51 PM

#770

Johnny Dazzle

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 180

sick run, 2000 to 1,5 mio lol

Last edited by Johnny Dazzle; 11-25-2009 at 07:59 PM.

11-25-2009 , 08:01 PM

#771

SeriAce

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,014

no,

thats edward norton

11-25-2009 , 09:05 PM

#772

JaxSaint

adept

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,092

So, apparently Isildur took Benyamine for $268k
then Ivey for $85k (man that would be wicked to go heads up with ivey and leave with a profit, lol)
then loses $1.1mil to sbrugby
then took $175k from durrrr (standard, lol)
then lost $267k to ziigmund

So overall he was down almost another million, but what a sick sick day just trading blows with all the huge names. That must be so surreal.

11-25-2009 , 09:48 PM

#773

Yaksha

adept

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,103

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepFryer

It just makes no sense for a pro to play a game where they don't have an edge.

Yes it does - because that's the only way you get better?

isildur is *clearly* putting himself in -EV situations quite frequently, but pretty much everyone following his rise to the nose-bleeds has commented on how uncannily quickly he seems to be learning - you think these two are some bizarre coincidence? He seems to be -EV against PA in PLO but what's the fun in poker if you're never challenging yourself? Only ever playing people worse than you? How do you stay at the top?

Personally I admire the courage and work ethic he's shown. He's 19 years old, 5 million is a *tonne* of money to 99.999% of the world's population and he's throwing it around like it's monopoly money. Sure, some would choose more negative adjectives like 'stupid' or 'reckless', but he didn't build up to where he was by being a nit did he? :P Barely anyone is going to take him on at NLHE now, so it's not like he has much choice but to start getting excellent (and quickly) at the other games too..

11-25-2009 , 11:45 PM

#774

DeepFryer

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 686

Ok I can agree with that, it's worthwhile to play -EV games in the short-term, if it makes you a better player.

But still, if Isil decided to deny action to someone at PLO, I certainly don't think there would be anything wrong with that.

As for NLHE, I think he can still find some action at that game... Phil Ivey has never been known to turn down a challenge