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Isildur1 will not make it out of November before going busto 142 8.29%
Will not see year 2010 before going busto 376 21.95%
Will go busto early in year 2010 189 11.03%
Will not go busto for a very long time 182 10.62%
Isildur1 will not go busto, period ! 348 20.32%
Who is Idildur1 189 11.03%
I could give a rat's arse if Isildur1 goes busto or not ! 287 16.75%
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:03 AM   #276
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Re: *** The Official Isildur1 Thread ***

are you guys serious with this cheating nonsense?
most every one of you is ******ed. and i'm not even kidding.
if durrrr was the one winning every session would you combine posting cheating accusations with slobbering his dick?
i'm thinking you'd just be taking it balls-deep without saying a word.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:04 AM   #277
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I think anyone who has posted in this thread regarding isil cheating or has read should be removed from the gene pool. Myself included! Some of these are the worst theorys going and the pure fact i've read them makes me dummer and a potential danger to civilisation.
Just one thing... how many people thought that Durrrr's style could not be sustained and he would end up broke years ago?
He proved a lot of people wrong by maintaining such a high level for so long but maybe his time has come and his aggro style has caught up with him. Theres only so many times you can call 30k with bottom pair after called 12k pre with 5 2 and expect to catch your second pair on the turn.

Also on a personal note.. i've watch a very large propotion of the HU match and its either isil gets dealt premium hands more then Durrrr or his premium hands reach more showdowns. HINT its not the former!

We have a winner!
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:06 AM   #278
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I think anyone who has posted in this thread regarding isil cheating or has read should be removed from the gene pool. Myself included! Some of these are the worst theorys going and the pure fact i've read them makes me dummer and a potential danger to civilisation.
Just one thing... how many people thought that Durrrr's style could not be sustained and he would end up broke years ago?
He proved a lot of people wrong by maintaining such a high level for so long but maybe his time has come and his aggro style has caught up with him. Theres only so many times you can call 30k with bottom pair after called 12k pre with 5 2 and expect to catch your second pair on the turn.

Also on a personal note.. i've watch a very large propotion of the HU match and its either isil gets dealt premium hands more then Durrrr or his premium hands reach more showdowns. HINT its not the former!
lol, I think it will be obvious that he is not cheating in a couple of months as hubris strikes him. He already plays 7-games. That's just the begining.

Another topic: I have seen some EV-graphs, but are there any all-in luck-graphs from all his hands the last 10 days?
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:22 AM   #279
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Indeed, even if I specifically laid out how to do it you would lack the technical vocabulary to understand.
I think you should try.

There are quite a lot of people here with a good technical grasp of RNG systems, if you're able to ignore the noise and rabble.

We all know about the rng that was "cracked" 10 years or so ago that used a timer based seed. That's like cracking Fort Knox when someone left the key underneath the doormat.

Let me ask you, how do you think that compares to todays situation, with regards to the entropy based seeds used in modern RNG systems? What does a modern site like FullTilt use to seed its rng?

I'm no technical expert, but with respect, I don't think you are either. Give us some solid facts that we may or may not be able to understand - lol - and I'm sure people more clued up than me will be able to have a solid discussion with you.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:22 AM   #280
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I'd like to preface this by saying that I'm not a poker player and would not have the first clue as to how this Isildur1 guy would play the game, and if that would equal cheating. All that I will reveal about myself is that I was deeply involved in the world of computers and security for many years until very recently. With that out of the way let me get to the point.
A friend of mine that regularly plays 5/10-10/20NL was telling me the story of this guy and saying that from his play he did not think the guy was cheating, but he just could not believe that the guy was winning at the rate he was against the guys he was beating. Furthermore, he did not think that the guy could see his opponents hands based on the way the gameplay worked out. So he sent me some HH's and explained some poker theory to me and why he believed that the guy could not see the cards based on the play. However, from what i've observed and been told about the play of the hands, if this individual is indeed cheating it is not by seeing cards, but rather by doing what I would call boosting the rng. In fact it's not that difficult to boost the rng and set up a completely transparent situation in terms of gameplay provided that the person in question is a skilled enough player to understand what the gameplay should look like. Moreover, as I explained to my friend there are ways to boost the rng in real time so that you may set up the situations in real time as they happen, that said he would need some sort of an assistant to do this as the guy plays many tables at a time. I have no clue as to whether Isildur1 is doing this, yet for anyone to think it is not possible is ignorant of many basic facts of rng's and how pokersites do security.
This seems quite a bit unrelated to isildur1 although it looks like a nice topic to discuss. Can you go on and open a thread related to cheating/rng boosting please?
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:25 AM   #281
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The reason for collecting user action data is to introduce TRUE randomness so that someone doesn't guess the sequence of "pseudo-random" numbers. Pseudo-random numbers is all a computer can generate. That means that after a while, these numbers repeat themselves. If someone cracks that sequence, they could use it to predict what cards will come. (This has happened at least once many years ago with a bad implementation.) The user actions are random, and they are used to make sure that there are no repeating sequences of numbers. It is, however, not necessary to apply this to each street. If you can shuffle the deck with "true" randomness, you can then just pull the cards sequentially.

So, most likely, the outcome of a hand is predetermined regardless of the actions of the players.

this is a quote from another forum

Is this what your talking about ares? I guess it is possible...hmmmm you would think though full tilt knows this and after the UB debacle they have a system in place they make too much money to screw this up. But the site is ran by degenerate gamblers anything is possible
On fulltilt Poker they use a different method. The cards are not pre-determined. They are constantly shuffling after each action. On Pokerstars the cards are just shuffled preflop and that is what will come. Just FYI, so what I have bolded is not true at full tilt.

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Old 11-16-2009, 06:26 AM   #282
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AlwaysDegen, I'd like to make a few points answering your questions.

1. I don't play poker and thus, had no clue that this site was 90% idiots, thanks for the info.

2. I went public because a friend asked If I would and i see no malice in what I said. However, if you see malice in my statement point it out and I will gladly apologize.

3. I could no more explain how RNG's work in a few sentences than you could explain to me how to beat big money poker games to me in a few sentences. It is obv more complex then what I said.
This remark doesn't seem to be relevant in isildur1's thread. However the topic itself (cheating, rnb boosting) seems quite interesting. Can you go on and open another thread related to this matter please?
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:39 AM   #283
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I don't understand any of this. LOL His graph starts on Sept. 16th of this year. It stays virtually level for a month, then takes a -$577k dive and stays under $0 for 2 and a half weeks, then starts to skyrocket on Nov 6th. In 9 days he has become the greatest player ever. This makes no sense at all. Something isn't right with this. Or, this is the luckiest sob on the face of the earth. Which I doubt.

Also, Zig seems to be the only one with any brains, by staying clear of this.
Takes a shot, goes busto. Takes him 2 weeks to get back in the action, this time runs great / destroys. What is there so hard to understand?
If he was cheating why would he lose that 500k? So he wasnt cheating then? But 2 weeks later when he gets more money in, he is cheating? This only proofs he probably isnt cheating rather than the opposite
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:40 AM   #284
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Mark Vos has a better winrate than Isildur1.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:45 AM   #285
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:49 AM   #286
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he's really really good.
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he's running pretty well !
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durrrr etc. are playing pretty poor
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4.5BB/100 ... nothing to see here

if he played 10k hands and won something smaller then it wouldn't get the accusations of cheating ...

but he's grinded out 95K hands in a ridic short period of time b/c he got the most-rolled stuck big and they keep giving him action ... and now obv he's cheating ???
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:51 AM   #287
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Takes a shot, goes busto. Takes him 2 weeks to get back in the action, this time runs great / destroys. What is there so hard to understand?
If he was cheating why would he lose that 500k? So he wasnt cheating then? But 2 weeks later when he gets more money in, he is cheating? This only proofs he probably isnt cheating rather than the opposite
Or wants to be able to point to a past losing streak if he gets caught.

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Old 11-16-2009, 06:55 AM   #288
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i didn't think durrrr's ego was so big.. to give this guy so much action when it clearly seems like durrrr is not able to win against this guy, atleast not this week.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:59 AM   #289
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Each player starts with 6 hands, it'll be a lot harder for isil to bluff people off hands assuming he can rig the system.

Either way for those humming about saying isil only makes 6bb/100 or whatever... the dude won 26 buyins at 3/600 in an hour on 3 tables earlier. Assuming they played 90 hands per table, that's 962bb/100 for the hour. I mean winning and crushing is one thing but 26 buyins that quickly...really?

I mean the bottom line for me and probably for some of you is that if something funky is up, it'll kill the action at our stakes where the casual-playing donators are. Every poker site that had someone rigging the system died a very quick death and I don't like pokerstars software very much.

I was rooting for isildur every day I stopped to watch a few hands until today when he absolutely crushed benyamine and patrik with some of the worst omaha hands/calls/bets possible. It just looked like a total setup. At first I was enjoying the action and then I couldn't help but thinking it was completely rigged and the other 2 were morons for continuing to play with him. That he then went on to donate a bunch of money in mixed games afterwards looked even more bizarre. So he sits in with Patrik, plays a very tight game (not the ultra-aggro 26 buyin+ seen earlier), gives a little back in 3/600 and takes a lot more in 5/1000 once durrrr felt more confident in his game.

Just an observation, feel free to flame. And what's up with all the flaming from people who aren't suspicious anyways? As if no one has ever rigged online poker in any way before...
He actually made about 18 buyins in 3 hours and over 1k hands which is not really that rare in PLO, especially as they were playing pretty deep. Also remember that it's 300/600 with antes which plays a lot bigger. Then later he played again and dropped 9 buyins in 2 hours. His short-term win rate doesn't mean much though, his long-term win rate does and it is not unusual or an outlier (though he hasn't really reached the long term yet anyway).

He has put in more volume at 500/1k in a week than anyone has ever done before with an extremely high variance style. It's not at all surprising that this has led to some massive swings and being up a few million, it's very likely he would either be up a lot or go broke after playing that much. This week he might drop a couple of million or continue his heater but if he puts in anything like the same volume as last week I doubt he will just break even.

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Old 11-16-2009, 07:06 AM   #290
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I'd like to see FullFlush against this guy.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:13 AM   #291
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Here are the rest of the top 10 earners in February 2009.
1. LarsLuzak $1.57 million
2. __FullFlush1__ $848,424
3. toomuchneon $328,961
4. FLIPokeHer $327,103
5. durrrr $307,588
6. sugarbritches10 $179,708
7. bfl4me $177,436
8. plastikcards $173,678
9. Pacuno $159,549
10. RRR111RRR111 $156,539

http://www.pokertableratings.com/par...h/rrr111rrr111
Very interesting!
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:15 AM   #292
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Do you guys think he wears boxers of briefs?
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:50 AM   #293
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LOL at people who says that its 100 % , he isnt cheating .
Some of u ignorants , is the same who said pre UB/AP scandal , that people who thought there were cheating going on , shl remember there tin foil hats...
Im not sure hes cheating , but IMHO theres more than 50% that he does..
But to say , that no way hes cheating is so stupid it blows my mind.
FTP`s security staff couldent find a cheater in a 100 years , we all know they stink..
Its like the finance melt down , it happens every 10-15 years that banks and others , forget the last meltdown and get greedy and loan to people/firms who have no way to pay back.
A lot of Pokerplayers in here is the same or worse , they cant remember the UB/AP scandal..
Why u think Ivey only plays him 1 tbl ? and zig wont play him ??
IMO bc they r not sure whats going on , but i assume they wear tinfoilhats too??
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:00 AM   #294
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Im not sure hes cheating , but IMHO theres more than 50% that he does..
yeah, right. I'm not exactly sure too that he's not cheating, but saying it has more than 50% chance hes cheating is so ****ing bull****.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:15 AM   #295
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RRR111RRR111 is the best player in PartyPoker. And he's also from Sweden.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:28 AM   #296
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wish my sn was as cool as his
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:43 AM   #297
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lol add this to the conspiracy theory

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...cammed-416009/

and some of this

http://www.pokerbloggs.com/high-stak...terrorofsweden
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:18 AM   #298
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guaranteed this guy takes a big losing swing - no ones accuses him of cheatting and he just blends into the regular variance of nosebleed games on ft by the end of the year.

no way would the top pros be playing him is there was any doubt about the validity of his account or methods. i mean the guys your accusing him of robbing are shareholders in the site - wtf, u think there that stupid to not investigate his accounts and IP's!

so many ******s posting rubbish its hilarious.

the guys ona heater - using his heater the extract extra value out of hands and poor play against him whilst running like god. its happened before to players, just maybe not at these stakes.

it will happen again some day where someone wins 10mill in 10 days - then the cheat accussations will start again.

just enjoy this s**t.
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:12 PM   #299
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think about it though. if you had to mental capacity to crack a RNG of a poker site you could literally make HUNDREDS of millions of dollars at 25/50+ over your lifetime. Without getting caught if you had a semblance of poker knowledge. If isildur did this, why would he put himself in the spotlight playing the toughest hunl player in the world on 6 tables at the highest stakes available?
Bernie Madoff ring a bell?
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Old 11-16-2009, 12:37 PM   #300
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Do you guys think he wears boxers of briefs?
finally! a sensible question ITT!

isildur wears purple Y-Fronts imo.
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