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View Poll Results: How long before Isildur1 goes busto poll question
Isildur1 will not make it out of November before going busto 142 8.29%
Will not see year 2010 before going busto 376 21.95%
Will go busto early in year 2010 189 11.03%
Will not go busto for a very long time 182 10.62%
Isildur1 will not go busto, period ! 348 20.32%
Who is Idildur1 189 11.03%
I could give a rat's arse if Isildur1 goes busto or not ! 287 16.75%
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:04 AM   #251
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:04 AM   #252
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He ran.

Ran so far away.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:07 AM   #253
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His winrate isnt even that impressive compared to other well known high stakes players. He has simply put in a large volume of hands in a short amount of time.

Lets have a look at players this year : money won for hands played.

Isildur1 $5.039.087 75320 hands

theASHMAN103 $3.648.198 50871 hands
Brian Townsend $2.784.912 32896 hands

Going on your theory Ashman and Townsend should definately be investigated.
The winnings were all in the last 9 days. Not spread out over the amount of hands you quoted. How many hands since Nov. 6th.? Around 50k hands in the last 9 days. I never said anyone should be investigated. Maybe he is the luckiest sob in the world. Or?
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:11 AM   #254
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The winnings were all in the last 9 days. Not spread out over the amount of hands you quoted. How many hands since Nov. 6th.? Around 50k hands in the last 9 days. I never said anyone should be investigated. Maybe he is the luckiest sob in the world. Or?
lol that's about how many hands he's played in the last 9 days.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:14 AM   #255
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The winnings were all in the last 9 days. Not spread out over the amount of hands you quoted. How many hands since Nov. 6th.? Around 50k hands in the last 9 days. I never said anyone should be investigated. Maybe he is the luckiest sob in the world. Or?
So about the same as Townsend then? Cool. You made your point.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:17 AM   #256
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lol that's about how many hands he's played in the last 9 days.

Yes I know. I just said that. 50k in 9 days. LOL
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:19 AM   #257
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The reason for collecting user action data is to introduce TRUE randomness so that someone doesn't guess the sequence of "pseudo-random" numbers. Pseudo-random numbers is all a computer can generate. That means that after a while, these numbers repeat themselves. If someone cracks that sequence, they could use it to predict what cards will come. (This has happened at least once many years ago with a bad implementation.) The user actions are random, and they are used to make sure that there are no repeating sequences of numbers. It is, however, not necessary to apply this to each street. If you can shuffle the deck with "true" randomness, you can then just pull the cards sequentially.

So, most likely, the outcome of a hand is predetermined regardless of the actions of the players.

this is a quote from another forum

Is this what your talking about ares? I guess it is possible...hmmmm you would think though full tilt knows this and after the UB debacle they have a system in place they make too much money to screw this up. But the site is ran by degenerate gamblers anything is possible
This what I was saying is possible, although stuff has been updated the general principle remains the same. For people saying they don't understand why I posted I think I've made it clear. What I'm saying is that certain people think he is cheating, but the way they think he's cheating is not viable based on the way the hands were played, otherwise the guys playing him would have picked it up quicker than any of us. So if he is cheating the only way to do it would be by cracking the rng. As far as people saying he would never cheat at these stakes and against these opponents your prob right, but that doesn't mean that it can't be done even if isildur1 isn't doing it. I promise you it can be done and prob will be done somewhere in the future, there is entirely too much money to be made for someone not to give it a shot.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:51 AM   #258
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Going off tracked hands. The volume is tremendous for those stakes over the last 9 days (considering he didn't play but 5 days out of that 9 day stretch). So he's averaging 10,000 hands a day played during this heater. He has played in a 9 day period what Durrrr plays in 9 months. And manages to do this and destroy the top players at nosebleed stakes. He is superhuman.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:54 AM   #259
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looks like someone did their homework.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:54 AM   #260
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All the guys calling out the people that don't think he is a cheat must have a super low opinion of durrrrr then. He is the one that sat up night and day giving buyin after buyin to this guy. I don't play hu, but im sure after countless hours of play i would have worked out some thing fishey was going on when a guy is just crushing my soul? I mean i agree that i didnt think any player had the edge over durrrr to crush him so badly, but i have also seen some play that just didnt make sense on durrrs part. Of course Durrrr is 50 levels higher than me and it may be super standard, but the game is so laggy and variance so high that surley this guy can just be running super hot, be awesome at poker, durrrr be playing under his ability and this guy worked out a counter punch for durrrs laggy jab. I don't blame people for be a little suspicous but i would wait for durrr, ftp or at least some1 with some exp playing him to call him out.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:00 AM   #261
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Going off tracked hands. The volume is tremendous for those stakes over the last 9 days (considering he didn't play but 5 days out of that 9 day stretch). So he's averaging 10,000 hands a day played during this heater. He has played in a 9 day period what Durrrr plays in 9 months. And manages to do this and destroy the top players at nosebleed stakes. He is superhuman.
not exactly

http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/re...eType=0&top=10
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:03 AM   #262
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Why was the guy jumping on to low stakes tables for just a few hands at different games. Then moving on to the higher stakes of the same game on the same days? A warmup? A test? What's up with that? A few hands of 3/6 then on to the high stakes.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:07 AM   #263
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Brandon Adams and Brian Rast ITT.

Hai guise!

Also; that is the worst haircut I've ever seen. He looks like one of those guise from those memes that do the rounds (y'know, they all have like pink shirts and fake tans and pouts etc). The wee ugly dude that was on the extreme right of one of the famous pics that always pops up in 4L
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:08 AM   #264
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This guy! Far right (someone pls inline?)

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Old 11-16-2009, 04:12 AM   #265
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Basically Tsarast when i talk about when I say boosting the rng I'm talking about hacking the algorithm, which is what is used compute the randomness of the rng. I will not go into how this is done or how to fool certain systems into not knowing it's being done but I know from experience it can be done. For anyone that wants to lol at what i'm saying I would like to see you refute my claim with some facts. Again, I'm not saying that Isildur1 is doing this, and moreover, I'd say the chances of him doing this are extremely remote.
lol. How about YOU prove your point with some facts?
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:32 AM   #266
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wow the ignorance of your post is quite startling. The fact is that nothing i have posted is groundbreaking stuff, all you have to do is a little research and you'll get plenty of evidence regarding the cracking of RNG's. Indeed, even if I specifically laid out how to do it you would lack the technical vocabulary to understand, in the same way that I lack the poker vocab to understand what all the stats you guys talk about are. However, I'll quit this thread because apparently I know nothing and you guys are the experts. All I will say is to remember these posts because somewhere in the future when it comes out that some guy on some site cracked a rng and stole millions off of you poker players your going to remember my posts.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:37 AM   #267
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I promise you it can be done and prob will be done somewhere in the future, there is entirely too much money to be made for someone not to give it a shot.
I agree with that, and when it happens it wont happen on the low stakes but on the highest stakes, since this attempt of cheating is very hard to detect if used properly in a small sample size that is normal for these high stakes games.

So for most of us, we dont really need to worry about it - since somebody who is planning to crack the rng and putting all this work and effort into it, is not being satisfied with beating 100NL....

One more thing - what do you guys think are the effects on High Stakes if this guy cashes out tomorrow and enjoys the rest of his life? By reading some of these posts here i get the feeling you think thats not a big deal, but considering how little fresh/fish money went into High Stakes this year, it is a big deal.

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Old 11-16-2009, 05:21 AM   #268
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nobody good seriously thinks isildur is cheating.

if he were cheating he also probably wouldn't be playing any PLO, for obvious reasons.
Obvious reasons not very obvious to me.

Care to explain?
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:25 AM   #269
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HU Pro from Party RRR111RRR111?
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:27 AM   #270
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all i want to know....is that ftp issues a press release. or some investigation. what's so hard about that?
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:27 AM   #271
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anything is possible in the short term

andy beal did it for a short time
When 6 tabling HU, a significant sample size comes pretty quickly.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:30 AM   #272
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Cracking the RNG is not unheard of. It happened to Planet Poker in 1999. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links, so search google for "planet poker Cigital" and you can see the way it was done in 1999. It was an academic study, but it proves it can be done.
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:35 AM   #273
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Obvious reasons not very obvious to me.

Care to explain?
Each player starts with 6 hands, it'll be a lot harder for isil to bluff people off hands assuming he can rig the system.

Either way for those humming about saying isil only makes 6bb/100 or whatever... the dude won 26 buyins at 3/600 in an hour on 3 tables earlier. Assuming they played 90 hands per table, that's 962bb/100 for the hour. I mean winning and crushing is one thing but 26 buyins that quickly...really?

I mean the bottom line for me and probably for some of you is that if something funky is up, it'll kill the action at our stakes where the casual-playing donators are. Every poker site that had someone rigging the system died a very quick death and I don't like pokerstars software very much.

I was rooting for isildur every day I stopped to watch a few hands until today when he absolutely crushed benyamine and patrik with some of the worst omaha hands/calls/bets possible. It just looked like a total setup. At first I was enjoying the action and then I couldn't help but thinking it was completely rigged and the other 2 were morons for continuing to play with him. That he then went on to donate a bunch of money in mixed games afterwards looked even more bizarre. So he sits in with Patrik, plays a very tight game (not the ultra-aggro 26 buyin+ seen earlier), gives a little back in 3/600 and takes a lot more in 5/1000 once durrrr felt more confident in his game.

Just an observation, feel free to flame. And what's up with all the flaming from people who aren't suspicious anyways? As if no one has ever rigged online poker in any way before...
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:38 AM   #274
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Here are the rest of the top 10 earners in February 2009.
1. LarsLuzak $1.57 million
2. __FullFlush1__ $848,424
3. toomuchneon $328,961
4. FLIPokeHer $327,103
5. durrrr $307,588
6. sugarbritches10 $179,708
7. bfl4me $177,436
8. plastikcards $173,678
9. Pacuno $159,549
10. RRR111RRR111 $156,539

http://www.pokertableratings.com/par...h/rrr111rrr111
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Old 11-16-2009, 05:49 AM   #275
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I think anyone who has posted in this thread regarding isil cheating or has read should be removed from the gene pool. Myself included! Some of these are the worst theorys going and the pure fact i've read them makes me dummer and a potential danger to civilisation.
Just one thing... how many people thought that Durrrr's style could not be sustained and he would end up broke years ago?
He proved a lot of people wrong by maintaining such a high level for so long but maybe his time has come and his aggro style has caught up with him. Theres only so many times you can call 30k with bottom pair after called 12k pre with 5 2 and expect to catch your second pair on the turn.

Also on a personal note.. i've watch a very large propotion of the HU match and its either isil gets dealt premium hands more then Durrrr or his premium hands reach more showdowns. HINT its not the former!
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