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View Poll Results: How long before Isildur1 goes busto poll question
Isildur1 will not make it out of November before going busto
142 8.29%
Will not see year 2010 before going busto
376 21.95%
Will go busto early in year 2010
189 11.03%
Will not go busto for a very long time
182 10.62%
Isildur1 will not go busto, period !
348 20.32%
Who is Idildur1
189 11.03%
I could give a rat's arse if Isildur1 goes busto or not !
287 16.75%

11-16-2009 , 01:31 AM
Cracking the RNG is not unheard of. It happened to Planet Poker in 1999. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links, so search google for "planet poker Cigital" and you can see the way it was done in 1999. It was an academic study, but it proves it can be done.
11-16-2009 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ares211
AlwaysDegen, I'd like to make a few points answering your questions.

1. I don't play poker and thus, had no clue that this site was 90% idiots, thanks for the info.

2. I went public because a friend asked If I would and i see no malice in what I said. However, if you see malice in my statement point it out and I will gladly apologize.

3. I could no more explain how RNG's work in a few sentences than you could explain to me how to beat big money poker games to me in a few sentences. It is obv more complex then what I said.
The bad part of this, is that there are lot of guys here that LOVES conspiracies, and what u say now gonna be fact for them in 10min.
Its not only bad for online poker with rumours like this ,its also disrespectful vs an excellent player. Plus im pretty sure fulltilt got stuff to handle these kind of issues. Hope u did understand my english (its not mu
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y native language)
11-16-2009 , 01:33 AM
And obviously if there was a situation where someone was smart enough to cheat, they would not play nosebleed 500/1k heads up on 6 tables against durrrr. If they're smart enough to cheat, they're smart enough to not get caught. Beating the best in the world for 4+million dollars is enough to earn the scrutiny of the public eye, thus Isildur has nothing to hide it would seem. He's just damn good/is on a hot streak.
11-16-2009 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Reines
And obviously if there was a situation where someone was smart enough to cheat, they would not play nosebleed 500/1k heads up on 6 tables against durrrr. If they're smart enough to cheat, they're smart enough to not get caught. Beating the best in the world for 4+million dollars is enough to earn the scrutiny of the public eye, thus Isildur has nothing to hide it would seem. He's just damn good/is on a hot streak.
this +1
11-16-2009 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by agent87
Cracking the RNG is not unheard of. It happened to Planet Poker in 1999. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links, so search google for "planet poker Cigital" and you can see the way it was done in 1999. It was an academic study, but it proves it can be done.
think about it though. if you had to mental capacity to crack a RNG of a poker site you could literally make HUNDREDS of millions of dollars at 25/50+ over your lifetime. Without getting caught if you had a semblance of poker knowledge. If isildur did this, why would he put himself in the spotlight playing the toughest hunl player in the world on 6 tables at the highest stakes available?
11-16-2009 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Reines
Beating the best in the world for 4+million dollars is enough to earn the scrutiny of the public eye, thus Isildur has nothing to hide it would seem.
obv he's levelling the **** out of you
11-16-2009 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by agent87
Cracking the RNG is not unheard of. It happened to Planet Poker in 1999. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links, so search google for "planet poker Cigital" and you can see the way it was done in 1999. It was an academic study, but it proves it can be done.
1. If you look up the info from this quote it should give u a basic understanding although stuff has been updated since then.

2. Alwaysdegen, your english is fine as far as i can tell. I did not realize the level of conspiracy that goes on here. I did not mean to be disrespectful to Isildur1 or what he has accomplished. Also because RNG's can be cracked does not mean that it is happening in this case!!!!!!!!!
11-16-2009 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ares211
1. If you look up the info from this quote it should give u a basic understanding although stuff has been updated since then.

2. Alwaysdegen, your english is fine as far as i can tell. I did not realize the level of conspiracy that goes on here. I did not mean to be disrespectful to Isildur1 or what he has accomplished. Also because RNG's can be cracked does not mean that it is happening in this case!!!!!!!!!
I just dont understand your intention with this. Ofc he could be cheating , but its not very likely esp since nosebleeds(high limits) are attracting alot of attention.
What do you wanna say, im not upset or anything, i just dont understand your point.
11-16-2009 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ares211
1. If you look up the info from this quote it should give u a basic understanding although stuff has been updated since then.

2. Alwaysdegen, your english is fine as far as i can tell. I did not realize the level of conspiracy that goes on here. I did not mean to be disrespectful to Isildur1 or what he has accomplished. Also because RNG's can be cracked does not mean that it is happening in this case!!!!!!!!!
Ok im curious how would this be able to help him? Would he be able to predict cards to come and he plays 4-6 tables at a time...I just dont think it would help you as much as you would think

edit: in no way will i take this rng theory as fact in 10min...i think he's playing better than competition thats it
11-16-2009 , 02:05 AM
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The reason for collecting user action data is to introduce TRUE randomness so that someone doesn't guess the sequence of "pseudo-random" numbers. Pseudo-random numbers is all a computer can generate. That means that after a while, these numbers repeat themselves. If someone cracks that sequence, they could use it to predict what cards will come. (This has happened at least once many years ago with a bad implementation.) The user actions are random, and they are used to make sure that there are no repeating sequences of numbers. It is, however, not necessary to apply this to each street. If you can shuffle the deck with "true" randomness, you can then just pull the cards sequentially.

So, most likely, the outcome of a hand is predetermined regardless of the actions of the players.

this is a quote from another forum

Is this what your talking about ares? I guess it is possible...hmmmm you would think though full tilt knows this and after the UB debacle they have a system in place they make too much money to screw this up. But the site is ran by degenerate gamblers anything is possible
11-16-2009 , 02:12 AM
I don't understand any of this. LOL His graph starts on Sept. 16th of this year. It stays virtually level for a month, then takes a -$577k dive and stays under $0 for 2 and a half weeks, then starts to skyrocket on Nov 6th. In 9 days he has become the greatest player ever. This makes no sense at all. Something isn't right with this. Or, this is the luckiest sob on the face of the earth. Which I doubt.

Also, Zig seems to be the only one with any brains, by staying clear of this.

Last edited by 458 Lott; 11-16-2009 at 02:19 AM.
11-16-2009 , 02:15 AM
just stop with the conspiracy. To know he's not cheating all we need to know is that Durr and PA still play with him. You don't think they've asked FT to make sure his account is legit? These guys have millions to risk, you conspira-tards have nothing to risk.

Yea i'll go with their opinion.
11-16-2009 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I don't understand any of this. LOL His graph starts on Sept. 16th of this year. It stays virtually level for a month, then takes a -$577k dive and stays under $0 for 2 and a half weeks, then starts to skyrocket on Nov 6th. In 9 days he has become the greatest player ever. This makes no sense at all. Something isn't right with this. Or, this is the luckiest sob on the face of the earth. Which I doubt.
So apart from variance you have no real arguments.
11-16-2009 , 02:20 AM
Its so simple and lazy to say hes cheating based on nothing. Hes suddenly winning he must be cheating is not good enough for making a statement. Bring something serious at least to make some kind of point.
11-16-2009 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ares211
1. If you look up the info from this quote it should give u a basic understanding although stuff has been updated since then.

2. Alwaysdegen, your english is fine as far as i can tell. I did not realize the level of conspiracy that goes on here. I did not mean to be disrespectful to Isildur1 or what he has accomplished. Also because RNG's can be cracked does not mean that it is happening in this case!!!!!!!!!
Their RNG was poo fingers. Static seed time iirc. Tilt/Stars etc RNG's are rediculously more elaborate.
You would have to agree that if someone or a group of someones were clever enough to work it out in the current environment, they would also be clever enough to not risk exposing themselves using it in the highest profile games available online.
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11-16-2009 , 02:24 AM
Didnt FullFLush say mark his words DURRRR will be busto with in 3 months? did he no something we dont no.
11-16-2009 , 02:33 AM
This is Isildur1 ... .. yes, Blom90...

http://www.myspace.com/vikkan
11-16-2009 , 02:35 AM
how much isildur take durrrr for?
11-16-2009 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by alwaysdegen
Its so simple and lazy to say hes cheating based on nothing. Hes suddenly winning he must be cheating is not good enough for making a statement. Bring something serious at least to make some kind of point.
He's not just winning. He is slaughtering the world's best online players like it isn't nothing. LOL And in 9 days he went from loser to being able to topple the best like it isn't nothing. Variance? LOL It's being redefined obviously. It's unreal. Remember the graph with the dots that pointed out nionio? Well he isn't sitting out there alone anymore it seems. I just find it too hard to believe.
11-16-2009 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
He's not just winning. He is slaughtering the world's best online players like it isn't nothing. LOL And in 9 days he went from loser to being able to topple the best like it isn't nothing. Variance? LOL It's being redefined obviously. It's unreal. Remember the graph with the dots that pointed out nionio? Well he isn't sitting out there alone anymore it seems. I just find it too hard to believe.
Share some serious proofs or stfu imo. hes having 4.66bb/100, why could that not be possible on a heater ??????????

Last edited by alwaysdegen; 11-16-2009 at 02:56 AM.
11-16-2009 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by alwaysdegen
Share some serious proves or stfu imo. hes having 4.66bb/100, why could that not be possible??????????
I have my opinion and you have yours. I'm looking at the hands, the play, and the graphs, and forming my opinion off that. And look here fanboy, you aren't anyone to be telling anyone to STFU. Like I said, either something is up, or he's the luckiest sob in the world. I stick to that.
11-16-2009 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
He's not just winning. He is slaughtering the world's best online players like it isn't nothing. LOL And in 9 days he went from loser to being able to topple the best like it isn't nothing. Variance? LOL It's being redefined obviously. It's unreal. Remember the graph with the dots that pointed out nionio? Well he isn't sitting out there alone anymore it seems. I just find it too hard to believe.
His winrate isnt even that impressive compared to other well known high stakes players. He has simply put in a large volume of hands in a short amount of time.

Lets have a look at players this year : money won for hands played.

Isildur1 $5.039.087 75320 hands

theASHMAN103 $3.648.198 50871 hands
Brian Townsend $2.784.912 32896 hands

Going on your theory Ashman and Townsend should definately be investigated.
11-16-2009 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YouGotPLOWned
His winrate isnt even that impressive compared to other well known high stakes players. He has simply put in a large volume of hands in a short amount of time.

Lets have a look at players this year : money won for hands played.

Isildur1 $5.039.087 75320 hands

theASHMAN103 $3.648.198 50871 hands
Brian Townsend $2.784.912 32896 hands

Going on your theory Ashman and Townsend should definately be investigated.
HAHA! Just ignore 480 Lott or whoever he is.
11-16-2009 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetto
is this confirmed him?
11-16-2009 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
I have my opinion and you have yours. I'm looking at the hands, the play, and the graphs, and forming my opinion off that. And look here fanboy, you aren't anyone to be telling anyone to STFU. Like I said, either something is up, or he's the luckiest sob in the world. I stick to that.
You even say it yourself, you obv got opinions but no ARGUMENTS.

      
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