no

With the reputation of the site starting at a low point for many(even with Stars solid name coonected) it would be extremely foolish for the new operators to not deliver on their very first promise.

I will try a second time. Hopefully this will get addressed next time around....


Question: US players now have to cashout using the DOJ, but I assume our accounts will remain intact incase of a comeback to the US market at somepoint. Assuming the DOJ doesn't give us credit for our FTPs and such, will US players FTPs/Medals/Bonuses remain intact until we are able to use them again? If so, if we were to relocate to play would the remaining points be available for use then?

You are confusing 'trusting FTP' with trusting the old FTP.

Stars owns FTP now.

Do I trust Stars to stick to what they've agreed to with the US government after they've already committed over $700 million and put their own reputation on the line?

Abso-****ing-lutely.

No, it has to be open by November, especially considering their promise to get ROW players back all their money by that date, which means the site and their accounts must be open. To postpone it is just bad business- and let's face it: they REALLY can't afford to create anymore bad business

Did FTP commit to re-opening for real money games by Nov 6? Or simply to re-open and allow ROW players to connect and withdraw their funds? Pessimistically, perhaps they'll just open up the web page and a basic client to allow them to process withdrawals, in order to fulfill their obligation to the DOJ. Or withdrawals plus play money games, or whatever they actually have ready to go by that date.

Question 1 in the OP just says, "When will we be able to log into the Full Tilt Software?" and gives the end-October/early-November date. I notice that they only mention logging in.

By the way FTP reopening is not necessarily connected to players getting paid.

...jus' sayin...

to all you guys wanting rakeback the same from ftp. i would prefer the stars system.

1. it works out more than the ftp rakeback
2. if we get $ value for points, iron man medals etc then thats a **** load of capital released for players that saved their ftp's/iron man medal for retirement as it massively affect mgr so in essence we can cash them out for whatever 'reasonable solution' they arrive at and move to better rakeback system

This would be exiting, especially if they sponsor all players, No Pokerstars pro on the final table would mean it is really an open race...


I think this has been addressed, this is all the DOJ problem, FTPwill not give you any money or points when they return to the US.


Well yes this would be really bad news...if they open for withdrawal but not for play there will be a much much larger portion of players that will withdraw... i see the point i do not see it is an option for PS...


wrong (unless high SN or SNE, see all the threads on the topic); also whats the point of a two brand strategy if you make both the same...

Here is a reply I received from Full Tilt for any interested.

"Hello Grunta0,

Thank you for contacting us.

Please allow us to stress that account security is of the utmost importance to us.

First of all, additional security measures will be put in place to authenticate and validate all accounts.

We are unfortunately unable to provide much more detail at this stage and look forward to providing further details once we have had the chance to prepare more for our re-launch.

We are pleased to confirm that we have now concluded our agreement with the US Department of Justice and hence commit to paying players back and relaunching the Full tilt Poker site within 90 days, by November the 6th.

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Regards,

Fiona

Full Tilt Poker Support "

I had an account on FTP.FR, will I be able to get back on normal FTP?

If you prefer the Stars system, play on Stars. I really like 27% rb without having to put in a tonne of volume.

I would prefer it not be the same. If someone wants the stars system, they can play at Stars.

More choices is better than fewer choices.

The problem is, the Stars system encourages 24 tabling uber-nits playing robotically, which isnt good for the game. Pokerstars is SO SO SO reg infested, which, IMO, is a direct result of the VIP system.

Definitely not. You need a change in French law and the chances of that happening are approximately 0%.

not IMO, it is, period

PokerStars VIP (rakeback) system has, at least temporarily, ruined internet poker

Paradoxically a certain level of rake is good for the games from the perspective of a top tier winner. Regs who are small winners or breakeven might not play if it wasn't for the bonuses/rakeback. This would improve the fish/reg ration in favour of the bigger winners, who then win more than they would have with rakeback. Also fish are losing slower because more of them are losing to fewer regs.

Scrapping the supernova+ levels would certainly improve the games from a fish or top tier reg's point of view but the problem Stars perspective is that so much of the rake comes from those mid level grinders.

+1

I think you guys do not understand that the internet makes for a very efficient market.

i.e. I used to play a game like counter strike. I would always be the best among my friends and colleagues. Once i went to play online i could not compete anymore.

Poker is the same way. If you play in your home game u gonna rock. If you put the entire world in one game the sharks are gonna feed off the fish quite nicely and it will seem like all the local rockstars have become fish.


Most of what we are experiencing is simply the efficiency of the market and the new technologies that enable this efficiency (training etc)

The game has progressed extremely quickly due to the internet, training sites etc.

If you can't compete go to a crappy site and it will be easier to compete or play in a casino. But you cant get the best of both world. The bigger sites, like stars are gonna have more efficient markets and be harder to compete in.

the point i was making was that you could cash in the millions of ftps and iron man medals that people have that are worth thousands without affecting your mgr if it was switching to a stars system.

Thanks peterc1992 and three_dee

Agreed, and I am sure that FTP's first choice would be to have everything up and ready to go on the relaunch date. However, if they just don't have the time or resources to get everything done by that date, they may just have to launch with what they agreed to have done for the DOJ, and add the rest later. If the choice comes down to launching with the balance checks and withdrawals features working but no games running, or breaking their agreement with the DOJ and releasing late with games running, I think the DOJ agreement will come first.

I think their game plan was to allow logining into the site before they open so you can look around, view your balance ( but not withdraw). This allows time for the game to get down loaded and so on. Otherwise, they could be hit with massive downloading on Nov 6th that could overlaod the system.

If for some reason they can not open by nov 6th, I would expect they apply and receive a brief extension from DOJ. The most important part, is they do not offer gaming before they offer the balances for the ROW.

No1 cares what point you were making. Your point comes from a purely selfish view. If you like stars VIP system then play on stars. Why would you want to screw over players who enjoy 27% rake paid weekly to have two of the exact same VIP systems on both sites. Unless your a grinding multi tabling nit stars system is not better. Also wtf has millions of ftps and Iron man medals? If you do good for you but 99.9% of other players dont. Cant believe I even wasted time responding to your dumb azz.

^^ Epic last sentence.
Also i agree 27% rakeback is better than some VIP system that only rewards high stakes players and high volume bot-like humans.