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three_dee 08-20-2012 01:38 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FDSaussure (Post 34367546)
No, it's technically completely different. It's effectively identical.

No, it's not really "effectively" identical either, because if it were "shuffled", that would mean that at some point the cards were in some order, which would mean they could be detected (at least between shuffles).

If they're chosen from a random set of x remaining unused cards in the deck, then they are never in any order, which is much more secure.

So there is a difference, even "effectively" and not just "technically".

insomniac86 08-20-2012 02:17 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by insomniac86 (Post 34201267)
will the new ftp block PTR/OPR?

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FDSaussure 08-20-2012 03:31 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by three_dee (Post 34379482)
No, it's not really "effectively" identical either, because if it were "shuffled", that would mean that at some point the cards were in some order, which would mean they could be detected (at least between shuffles).

If they're chosen from a random set of x remaining unused cards in the deck, then they are never in any order, which is much more secure.

So there is a difference, even "effectively" and not just "technically".

The desired effect is that players don't and can't know or predict what the next card is. Whether or not there is an ordered set with a card popped off the top* or an unordered set with a card drawn at random is merely a technical difference.

* IIRC someone once received complete "raw" hand histories from Party Poker which included everyone's hole cards and in fact listed a randomly ordered deck of cards. Lots of people were whining about the cards being dealt "wrong" as people were being dealt the 1st/2nd, 3rd/4th etc as opposed to the 1st/10th, 2nd/11th etc. Also that there were no burn cards between the players cards, flop, turn, or river. Of course as the cards received by the players and dealt on the board were random this again is just a technical difference. It's interesting that developers bothered to design is that way as it seems to provide no real benefit.

Posemuckel 08-20-2012 04:50 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
3k/6k FL Omaha H/L tables please!

UnitedAs1 08-20-2012 08:05 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
What about PTR? Is FTP going to do the same as Stars?

I got top-top! 08-21-2012 12:01 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Hey Shyam,

I appreciate you joining this thread and your replies. Could you maybe pop in and say "I am still gathering answers" and write some quick reply? If this will be Full Tilt Poker's customer service moving forward....

p2 dog, p2 08-21-2012 12:34 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Posemuckel (Post 34383256)
3k/6k FL Omaha H/L tables please!

Sick brag

otime25 08-21-2012 02:29 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by I got top-top! (Post 34391571)
Hey Shyam,

I appreciate you joining this thread and your replies. Could you maybe pop in and say "I am still gathering answers" and write some quick reply? If this will be Full Tilt Poker's customer service moving forward....


Agreed.

DePokerGod 08-21-2012 03:55 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldorian (Post 34377211)
Na that one is for a different thread... the biggest question is "rakeback??"

+1 You beat me to it. Was gonna say exact same thing.

Nomboo 08-21-2012 04:39 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Will we have the 27% rakeback?

Bolsta 08-21-2012 09:40 AM

Hi Shyam,

As some one who plays on multiple devices, my phone, my home computers as well as my work pc. One thing I would like you to keep is the feature where if I accidentally leave myself logged in on one machine, I can still log in on the other machine. (On FTP the machine I left my self logged into would get a message advising that you are logging in from another computer and if this not authorised you can click NO other wise after 30 seconds it logs you off and lets you log in on the current machine.)

If possible could you add this feature to PokerStars? I have done this a number of times on Stars and it is annoying to not be able to logging for a day or even a weekend. I know I can email support and they will disconnect me from the other machine, but that takes some time.

Thanks.

Posemuckel 08-21-2012 09:42 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2 (Post 34391903)
Sick brag

for Isildur1 of course!

Eldorian 08-21-2012 09:43 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolsta (Post 34396266)
Hi Shyam,

As some one who plays on multiple devices, my phone, my home computers as well as my work pc. One thing I would like you to keep is the feature where if I accidentally leave myself logged in on one machine, I can still log in on the other machine. (On FTP the machine I left my self logged into would get a message advising that you are logging in from another computer and if this not authorised you can click NO other wise after 30 seconds it logs you off and lets you log in on the current machine.)

If possible could you add this feature to PokerStars? I have done this a number of times on Stars and it is annoying to not be able to logging for a day or even a weekend. I know I can email support and they will disconnect me from the other machine, but that takes some time.

Thanks.


You shouldn't keep your pc running when you are going out, you are the sole reason for global warming.


(I absolutely love the idea for PS though, especially if you have to switch to mobile due to connection issues...)

Drifter84 08-22-2012 03:53 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
@Shyam: when can we expect we a new update?

QuadStacks 08-22-2012 03:55 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drifter84 (Post 34423860)
@Shyam: when can we expect we a new update?

This

was kinda expecting updates on the regular

DavidNB 08-22-2012 04:00 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QuadStacks (Post 34423920)
This

was kinda expecting updates on the regular

His last post I beleive mentioned it might be awhile before he gets back to answer anymore questions. I think for the most part, he has updated us pretty well.

K_2 08-22-2012 06:18 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QuadStacks (Post 34423920)
This

was kinda expecting updates on the regular

maybe he got fired?

fishinfornuts 08-22-2012 07:16 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
all i want on FT is partial rakeback.. to get us back in.. 10% or 15% for old members..

and short-stack PLO again. that stuff was fun

scroosko 08-22-2012 11:16 PM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
if jobs open up will i be able to work for full tilt and play on stars or vice versa as was previously allowed as the companies are still effectiveley separate entites?

Jailbird 08-23-2012 05:03 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Its been said a bunch, but not yet addressed (I think)

Is there any way to put all Shyam's replies in an easy to find place so we don't have to read every page ITT, since for many of us his responses are all we are interested in reading?

rubbishaka80 08-23-2012 05:09 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jailbird (Post 34436103)
Its been said a bunch, but not yet addressed (I think)

Is there any way to put all Shyam's replies in an easy to find place so we don't have to read every page ITT, since for many of us his responses are all we are interested in reading?

"OP updated August 14, 2012"

Matt Crocker 08-23-2012 05:18 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jailbird (Post 34436103)
Its been said a bunch, but not yet addressed (I think)

Is there any way to put all Shyam's replies in an easy to find place so we don't have to read every page ITT, since for many of us his responses are all we are interested in reading?

The dude has 4 posts, just click his name and click "Find more posts by Shayam".

Adam87 08-23-2012 07:49 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Come on pokerstars....get full tilt in by october.

trs80 08-23-2012 08:33 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
come on...mid september opening? if they have the software and most of the staff, i would think they could just boot up the software and make updates as they go? They would want to start raking in the cash sooner then later i would think.

DavidNB 08-23-2012 09:05 AM

re: Official FTP (Pre)Relaunch Thread (OP updated August 24, 2012)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trs80 (Post 34437381)
come on...mid september opening? if they have the software and most of the staff, i would think they could just boot up the software and make updates as they go? They would want to start raking in the cash sooner then later i would think.

It doesn t work like that. The only thing you can count on is it will open before the 90 day deadline. They will not leave it untill the last moment. I would say mid oct opening at the earliest


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