Wonder if they later talk about the hands and does Ilari tell?

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Ilari FIN (BB) (BB) ($191325.30)
Jeans89 (Button) (Button) ($120239.30)
Ben86 (SB) (SB) ($144066.40)

Preflop:
Jeans89 (Button) bets $1000, 1 fold, Ilari FIN (BB) raises to $3440, Jeans89 (Button) raises to $10760, Ilari FIN (BB) calls $7320

Flop: ($21960) K, A, 8 (2 players)
Ilari FIN (BB) checks, Jeans89 (Button) checks

Turn: ($21960) Q (2 players)
Ilari FIN (BB) bets $21955, Jeans89 (Button) calls $21955

River: ($65870) J (2 players)
Ilari FIN (BB) bets $65865, 1 fold

Total pot: $65870 | Rake: $5

Results:
Ilari FIN (BB) didn't show
Outcome: Ilari FIN (BB) won $65865

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Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($113871.02)
Ilari FIN (Button) (Button) ($183027.10)
Jeans89 (SB) (SB) ($51561.79)

Preflop:
Ilari FIN (Button) bets $1640, Jeans89 (SB) raises to $5560, 1 fold, Ilari FIN (Button) calls $3920

Flop: ($11760) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
Jeans89 (SB) checks, Ilari FIN (Button) checks

Turn: ($11760) Q (2 players)
Jeans89 (SB) bets $11755, Ilari FIN (Button) raises to $47020, Jeans89 (SB) calls $34166.79 (All-In)

River: ($103603.58) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $103603.58 | Rake: $5
Main pot: $103603.58 between Ilari FIN (Button) and Jeans89 (SB), won by Jeans89 (SB)

Results:
Ilari FIN (Button) had Q, K, 8, 7 (two pair, Queens and eights).
Jeans89 (SB) had K, K, 7, 9 (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Jeans89 (SB) won $103598.58

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820 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 2 6 8

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Qs Ks 8d 7d	15.73%	123	12
Kc Kd 7c 9s	84.27%	685	12

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

40 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 2 6 8 Q

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Qs Ks 8d 7d	50.00%	20	0
Kc Kd 7c 9s	50.00%	20	0

Why doesn't Benyamine play on Stars?

He playes a very passive style of plo that worked well for a while because ppl wouldnt adjust correctly versus it, the tide started turning when they did and he gave back a lot of $. IIRC he was also staked a big % for the big games he played. I doubt if he'd be a winner in nowadays hs lineups.

With this upswing, Ziigmund can surely buy shoes if he wants to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qATVJ3Tb5_c&t=50m15s

cuz hes french i think

Can you expand on this? In 2007 and 2008 he was by far the king of FTP's PLO games; he won more than double what the second biggest winner (Galfond) won. To go from absolutely crushing to not a winner, there must be more to it than just not being aggressive enough (if the tone of this post makes it seem like I'm questioning your assessment, I'm not, I'm just interested in more details)

Ben and alti are doing four tables.

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saw flop | saw showdown

Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($14562)
altiFC (SB) (SB) ($10000)

Preflop:
altiFC (SB) bets $200, Ben86 (BB) raises to $700, altiFC (SB) calls $500

Flop: ($1440) A, 5, K (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $900, altiFC (SB) calls $900

Turn: ($3240) 10 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $2200, altiFC (SB) calls $2200

River: ($7640) 2 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $10742 (All-In), altiFC (SB) calls $6180 (All-In)

Total pot: $20000 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $20000 between Ben86 (BB) and altiFC (SB), won by altiFC (SB)

Results:
altiFC (SB) had J, K (flush, Ace high).
Ben86 (BB) had 4, 8 (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: altiFC (SB) won $19998

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altiFC (SB) (SB) ($10494)
Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($14720)

Preflop:
altiFC (SB) bets $200, Ben86 (BB) raises to $700, altiFC (SB) calls $500

Flop: ($1440) 9, Q, 10 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $950, altiFC (SB) calls $950

Turn: ($3340) 6 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, altiFC (SB) checks

River: ($3340) 2 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $6700, altiFC (SB) raises to $8824 (All-In), Ben86 (BB) calls $2124

Total pot: $20988 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $20988 between altiFC (SB) and Ben86 (BB), won by altiFC (SB)

Results:
altiFC (SB) had J, K (straight, King high).
Ben86 (BB) had A, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: altiFC (SB) won $20986

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Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($20070)
altiFC (SB) (SB) ($12460)

Preflop:
altiFC (SB) bets $200, Ben86 (BB) raises to $700, altiFC (SB) calls $500

Flop: ($1440) 8, 10, 2 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, altiFC (SB) bets $900, Ben86 (BB) raises to $2200, altiFC (SB) calls $1300

Turn: ($5840) A (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $3000, altiFC (SB) calls $3000

River: ($11840) 9 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $14150 (All-In), altiFC (SB) calls $6540 (All-In)

Total pot: $24920 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $24920 between Ben86 (BB) and altiFC (SB), won by altiFC (SB)

Results:
altiFC (SB) had Q, J (straight, Queen high).
Ben86 (BB) had K, Q (high card, Ace).
Outcome: altiFC (SB) won $24918

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Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($10278)
altiFC (SB) (SB) ($24648)

Preflop:
altiFC (SB) bets $200, Ben86 (BB) raises to $700, altiFC (SB) calls $500

Flop: ($1440) 7, Q, 3 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, altiFC (SB) bets $900, Ben86 (BB) calls $900

Turn: ($3240) 5 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, altiFC (SB) bets $2400, Ben86 (BB) calls $2400

River: ($8040) 10 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) checks, altiFC (SB) bets $20628 (All-In), Ben86 (BB) calls $6258 (All-In)

Total pot: $20556 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $20556 between Ben86 (BB) and altiFC (SB), won by altiFC (SB)

Results:
altiFC (SB) had Q, 5 (two pair, Queens and fives).
Ben86 (BB) had 8, 8 (one pair, eights).
Outcome: altiFC (SB) won $20554

Just added it up... across his 5 accounts Benyamine won $12.5 million in PLO in 2007 and 2008, second biggest winner was Galfond with $5.2 million

NL sure is aggro lately geez

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saw flop | saw showdown

altiFC (SB) (SB) ($21087)
Ben86 (BB) (BB) ($8369)

Preflop:
altiFC (SB) bets $200, Ben86 (BB) raises to $700, altiFC (SB) calls $500

Flop: ($1440) 4, 10, 9 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $900, altiFC (SB) calls $900

Turn: ($3240) 2 (2 players)
Ben86 (BB) bets $2200, altiFC (SB) raises to $19467 (All-In), Ben86 (BB) calls $4549 (All-In)

River: ($16738) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $16738 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $16738 between altiFC (SB) and Ben86 (BB), won by Ben86 (BB)

Results:
altiFC (SB) had 10, Q (one pair, tens).
Ben86 (BB) had 4, 2 (two pair, fours and twos).
Outcome: Ben86 (BB) won $16736

It would take me some time to delve up those reports and chats. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure about what I said. It's basically an assumption from various rumors and ftp chat posted by Benyamine himself (though he could have been throwing out a red herring).

Btw, I never said Benyamine didn't win a lot of money in PLO in earlier years, just that he failed to adapt when everyone was getting better, causing him to lose quite a large sum of money (not just in PLO, but also in various other games as well as live play).

I can't be sure if Benyamine would be a winner nowadays. But with the pace that everyone seems to have improved, and the fact that he's been out of shape (we haven't seem him online in a while), makes me think that he wouldn't be a winner. I mean, there have been loads of PLO games going on @ stars, would an ace PLO player (that's online-savvy) with the appropriate bankroll really pass up on that?

Now Ilari doesnt have a high VPIP, LOL. What fin world are you living in? He prob has the highest vpip out of any regular at that limit. Jeans on the other hand is a nit, just thought Id put that in there. Somebody who saves databases of high stakes players hands would surely be able to back me up here.

Did/do you actually watch him play or do you just look at the big pots like typical railer?

his win came from the volume he put. His winrate was EXTREMELY low, barely above breakeven. But sick volume at those stake with even a 0.5bb winrate means a ****load of $

sick check ip ott with the nuts

Unless you want to argue 'pretty tight' equals a high VPIP, I'm gonna go with someone who actually plays and wins in games with ziig:

Plus I've seen gavz, terken and at LEAST one more nosebleed reg call him a nit in the last year or comment on his preflop tightness. None of that is really proof of any sort, but paints a different picture than yours of ilari being the loosest player at those limits.

Love your arrogance though.

I guess what the HS regs mean is that he is pretty tight postflop. Because preflop he surely is one of the loosest players.

And ilari plays mainly deep games where u can play very loose preflop but still be a nit postflop.

benyamine is legit terrible and can no longer find someone to back him for nosebleed games where he is horrifically -ev

He's definitely one of the loosest players in my opinion.
Calling someone a "nit" became a habit among many players, when they want to offend their opponents, but it doesn't always have a true meaning.

Smokey god man do you watch the games or you just listen to others. I actually study them hard and watch them for many many years now. As you can see a few posts above this one, urubu sais zig plays 67/50/28. Im sure thats close to his normal stats, cause hes a sicko. Like i say man Zig has one of the highest vpip's out of the regs that play that game. You arguring that is just like , WTF WHY?

Please somebody with some databases come in here and back me up.

One last thing, when the **** did Gavz become a nosebleed REG? And you have the nerve to call me arrogant, you just lol man.