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*** October 2012 High Stakes Thread *** *** October 2012 High Stakes Thread ***

10-22-2012 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maanwa
It doesn't seem like that much of a stretch - how he can build up 700k from nothing, quite consistently, is really impressive - if he got a bit of run good and maybe upped his game a tiny bit, theres no reason that he couldn't go up a few mill over a week, and so on.

But with his current tilt problems, yea, you're probably right.
He ran it up to over $6 million, IIRC. I just don't think that's ever going to happen again. Especially since the highest game in town currently is $200/400, and all of the regs are familiar with his playing style... and his strange disinterest in playing NLHE.
10-22-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by moki
He ran it up to over $6 million, IIRC. I just don't think that's ever going to happen again. Especially since the highest game in town currently is $200/400, and all of the regs are familiar with his playing style... and his strange disinterest in playing NLHE.
It's not really strange to be disinterested in a game where 2-3 people are willing to play against you.
10-22-2012 , 01:51 PM
he should hit up macao, no chance of getting the "nit-ban" from the locals.
10-22-2012 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
It's not really strange to be disinterested in a game where 2-3 people are willing to play against you.
He doesn't even sit at empty tables waiting for action.

I'm guessing the list is quite a bit longer than 2-3 people... especially these days.
10-22-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TOEtallyF33t
No were not lol. The run he had in 2009 is a once in a lifetime event. It wont happen again.
It's not hard at all to imagine that he could hit another heater like that. Since the stakes are now 200 400 max the amount would be far less, about 2.5 million, but in terms of buyins his nov 2009 run wasn't that amazing, 6 million was 60 buyins. Eireabu had a much bigger heater this year in relative terms (about 3.4 million at stakes no higher than 50 100). Icallsowhat had. 4 milly upswing and people don't talk about that much, the reason people talk about Isi's run is because he did it against the absolute best players in the world, I.e. 8-tabling vs durrrr, PA and Ivey. 60 buyins over a couple hundred thousand hands is easily doable in such aggro games so it's not hard to imagine him winning 2+ million someday soon
10-22-2012 , 02:32 PM
i just can't wait to see isi vs. a rusty durrrr... it's countdown time gents
10-22-2012 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by loveminuszero
It's not hard at all to imagine that he could hit another heater like that. Since the stakes are now 200 400 max the amount would be far less, about 2.5 million, but in terms of buyins his nov 2009 run wasn't that amazing, 6 million was 60 buyins. Eireabu had a much bigger heater this year in relative terms (about 3.4 million at stakes no higher than 50 100). Icallsowhat had. 4 milly upswing and people don't talk about that much, the reason people talk about Isi's run is because he did it against the absolute best players in the world, I.e. 8-tabling vs durrrr, PA and Ivey. 60 buyins over a couple hundred thousand hands is easily doable in such aggro games so it's not hard to imagine him winning 2+ million someday soon
Isildur also did it in much less than both a year and a couple hundred thousand hands.

@yanks
Isildur is about fifty times more rusty than durrrr... Durrrr plays nl hold em everyday.
10-22-2012 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
Isildur also did it in much less than both a year and a couple hundred thousand hands.

@yanks
Isildur is about fifty times more rusty than durrrr... Durrrr plays nl hold em everyday.
whar about PLO? and durrr isnt getting near the volume of hands as isi. not to mention the online game has evolved a fair bit since BF.
10-22-2012 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TOEtallyF33t
Out of curiosity why did Viktor Never play highstakes Limit Holdem, its great action and fun and he def would get action.
Because he doesn´t play people that minraise the button.
10-22-2012 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
Isildur also did it in much less than both a year and a couple hundred thousand hands.
I'll check this when I get home (filter hsdb for results from period of nov 1st 2009 to nov 30 2009) but I'm pretty sure he played close to that many hands during that period. Didn't he play like 50k vs durrrr alone?
10-22-2012 , 04:06 PM
I don't understand how it's such an interesting topic of discussion how much Isildur is up or down.
10-22-2012 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TNCS
I don't understand how it's such an interesting topic of discussion how much Isildur is up or down.
because about 90% of highstakes online action has pivoted around him in the last 3 years.
10-22-2012 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyPanic
because about 90% of highstakes online action has pivoted around him in the last 3 years.
That's not an answer. Why is it so interesting to get to an (relatively) exact number of his net results? Nobody ever does that for Galfond, Durrrr (both have been around longer) or Sauce.
10-22-2012 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TNCS
That's not an answer. Why is it so interesting to get to an (relatively) exact number of his net results? Nobody ever does that for Galfond, Durrrr (both have been around longer) or Sauce.
All the players you mentioned have been big winners on sites that are tracked, so there's a lot less debate about how good they are. Isildur is down about 3.4m on both Stars and FTP in hands that HSDB has tracked. Thus some people argue that he is a losing player, some people say HSDB is not accurate and/or that he won many millions elsewhere on Euro sites and/or that he runs insanely under EV, and since no one knows for sure (except presumably Isildur) the argument never ends.
10-22-2012 , 04:33 PM
If he does have money there's a lot of action if he doesn't, then there isn't, simple really.
10-22-2012 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
It's not really strange to be disinterested in a game where 2-3 people are willing to play against you.
Ok, that's a good point to this, but what happens in a situation where one of these guys, you are losing a big loser against him in PLO and may need to find another way to get that back, while there is another guy that's willing to give action but wants to either min-raise or have both do 4x. Isildur should really go back on NLHE just to really really mixed things up for him.

Thought I would never say that about anyone in this day and age where NLHE is the primary game, but its somewhat true for Isildur.
10-22-2012 , 06:38 PM
More specifically it could be argued that he is specifically successful as a HU player
10-22-2012 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by anguyen92
what happens in a situation where one of these guys, you are losing a big loser against him in PLO and may need to find another way to get that back, while there is another guy that's willing to give action but wants to either min-raise or have both do 4x.
Actually I'm pretty sure that both the guys you're talking about actually are the same person; sauce
10-22-2012 , 06:55 PM
The fact that Sauce gets routinely hated on in this thread, while Isildur is routinely worshipped, shows why poker will always be profitable
10-22-2012 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Actually I'm pretty sure that both the guys you're talking about actually are the same person; sauce
Nope, I'm talking about Kanu as well. I'm sure both he and Isildur have discussions about Kanu's opening raise size, where Kanu turned the tables on Isildur, where either Kanu min-raised when he wants to or both 4x. For some odd reason, Isildur refused on the 4x.
10-22-2012 , 07:08 PM
Sauce gets very little hate really. Not sure where you've got that idea.
10-22-2012 , 07:15 PM
sauce deserves no hate whatsoever... i get that he routinely pounds on everyones "hero", but the guy plays anyone at any game at basically any stake and has been around the top of the top in online cash since 07. big ups in my book
10-22-2012 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TNCS
That's not an answer. Why is it so interesting to get to an (relatively) exact number of his net results? Nobody ever does that for Galfond, Durrrr (both have been around longer) or Sauce.
none of your examples are relevant because
- none of them single-handedly generate action
- none of them have the same ambiguous risk of ruin

basically they don't dictate high stakes action nor are they gonna go broke therefore people don't feel the need to discuss them ad nauseum

Last edited by JohnnyPanic; 10-22-2012 at 07:28 PM.
10-22-2012 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by angeles
sauce deserves no hate whatsoever... i get that he routinely pounds on everyones "hero", but the guy plays anyone at any game at basically any stake and has been around the top of the top in online cash since 07. big ups in my book
this
10-22-2012 , 07:27 PM
Ok my view on sauce.....

I think sauce is one of those [players who is very competetive in wanting to win, as most players are, but some more than others. I compare sauce similar to mrsweets, they both play a very +ev style and will just get it in the majority of the time with very good equity which will pay off in the long run against players who gamble more.
I dont find sauce entertaining to watch however, i think this is a view shared although my plo style is similar to his, so i cant say people would enjoy watching me either but when someobdy like that at high stakes is constantly winning it can become a bit frustrating if you like railing games,as games are not going to start up becuase sauce is sitting. Hence the reason why people are a bit sick of him running very very well in plo this year as the people that create big action, largely viktor at 100/200 - 200/400 keep running badly.
I mean take the session last night, in the first hour sauce just about god moded everyone and was hitting 1 outers (i know it happened to him later on in the evening) but viktor ran way below ev again at 200/400 as he seems to have done in his last 5 big sessions when playing 200/400.
Now i only play at 1/2 plo so i take great fun at watching any high stakes games as i know like 99.9% of us we will never play there. So thats why im getting a little bit irritated with how sauce is running. I also believe that you shouldnt start limping against opponents when you are up 300k on them in a session or about $2m in sauce's case over viktor. Im justs speculating with the $2m but it must be close to that if anyone has seen there games in the last 2 years.
I think hating on sauce is a bit pathetic, as far as i know hes one of the good guys but i wish he wouldnt run so hot so we can still have some games, as the players that largely win up there....your mr sweets and sauces are not going to create any action sadly, simply becuase people dont have edges on them and their style is tough to beat unless they run badly.
To cut a long story short.....time for full tilt.....counting the days.

      
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