like Razz + plo

I used to think isildur was a fish in these games but now he's had a winning session it's clear he's an expert at full ring limit plo8.

why do you have so many notes on them?

Bleznick is up like 700k this month so I doubt he's broke

sad thing is, when i wake up tomorrow isil is down 50k (his inital buyin)...

Would be awesome if someone posted hands, Isildur rampages always worth a read even if it's limit

its called variance. he isnt that bad or isnt that good. just lots and lots of variance from a legendary swingy player.

your statement is terribly contradictory. if you think variance is so overwhelming, you can't say anything about his skill. ever.

RaiseOnce has entered the tables, this is probably going to be a true test for whether or not Isildur can survive with his amount at the tables.

enter ivey

Mr Chung missing the 08 action someone should tweet him

never did I imply what you are implying. I simply said the main factor that he is up 600k is variance (that he isnt THAT much better then all these nosebleed players + has the game figured out) but simply that the game is lots of variance so his skill level is less of a role. to imply that I say skill is meaningless in the equation is quite absurbd.

skill and variance can co exist. feel free to take this to pm if you need further explanation.

lol

your skill level determines your level of variance. if you have a lower winrate, it takes more hands to achieve your winrate and there will be a lot of big swings before then. if you have a higher winrate, it can take a relatively short number of hands to achieve your winrate, and obviously there will still be oscillations, but not as much

Chung plays exclusively Heads-up

+1
probably the reason these games have filled up is that everyone is looking to pick up some insight into master level O8 play.

No one is mentioning mustafabet who is banking 300k+ this session

glad you find it funny.

lets just put it this way. what do you think isildurs true hourly is in this line up? (<-- I know this is a tough question because no one really knows). If you want to speculate maybe its between range of -6000/hr to +8000/hr. Big range I know. Now if hes up 600k in a very short period then do you attribute that to his skill level or to variance? Thats all I am saying...

now if you are still confused feel free to pm me.

mustafabet THE ***** GOAT.

I dont really think its variance here for isildur. He has been winning the low hand an absurd number of times. If he was playing midstakes were 3 or 4 people are in each pot he would be losing / splitting the low pot and be getting crushed. His O8 skills are more than likely a biproduct of everyone else being tight and sticking to the general strategy of playing for the hi pot

The second best gets no attention

wat

zzz

Variance = deviation between expected value and other outcomes
Skill Level (tiltcontrol, gameselection included) determines winrate: which is some random number. higher the number, the less variance experienced.

If he's up 600k in a short time, you can't really attribute that to anything, you have to look at the nature of his wins. You can't really separate variance/winrate and assume that one is more controlling than the other just because of the timeframe. Winrates are also variable btw, he is constantly learning and getting better playing the best of the best. so hypothetically, if he played 30k hands and was crushing, even though his past results were losses, you can't say that it is more likely to be variance.

come on 6 tables of deep plo or nl at 200 400.

Ivey sits down.