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Old 01-03-2019, 08:51 PM   #126
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I wonder if any of the people he owes money to will go meet up with him when he supposedly will be at the Borgata $2 million kickoff?
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Old 01-03-2019, 08:53 PM   #127
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How is he a "victim" when he cashed out $20k+?

Fact is he made the decision to keep playing out of greed and it backfired on the rest of his balance. I never said that it is his fault, just that it's hard to have sympathy for these people. There is no "blaming", stop interpreting things the way you like them to be. Sucker.
In his defense they told him that he wouldn’t get paid if he didn’t continue playing and “contributing to the club” were the exact words used by Adnab. He justified it by saying “why would the club put a priority on paying him since he’s no longer contributing or playing the games?”

I mean what would you do? Keep playing with the chance of moving up the priority list to get paid out or not play at all and leave a $40K+ balance that has little chance of being paid... you know since he’s not contributing. That itself is shady... and I’m actually surprised that he wasn’t cheated when he did start playing again so that some of that balance would get knocked down by just losing. From what it sounds like he kept playing to stay in the priority list for payout and continued to win even more...

The problem is, there shouldn’t be a “priority list” to cash out. You should be able to cash out whenever and for how much you choose. That would be like me going to the casino and buying in for $500 and then when I come back with $2500 they say I can only cash them out when other players buy chips.


The club is insolvent and should be shut down for several felonies involving wire fraud and money laundering at the very least.
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Old 01-03-2019, 08:56 PM   #128
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In his defense they told him that he wouldn’t get paid if he didn’t continue playing and “contributing to the club” were the exact words used by Adnab. He justified it by saying “why would the club put a priority on paying him since he’s no longer contributing or playing the games?”



I mean what would you do? Keep playing with the chance of moving up the priority list to get paid out or not play at all and leave a $40K+ balance that has little chance of being paid... you know since he’s not contributing. That itself is shady... and I’m actually surprised that he wasn’t cheated when he did start playing again so that some of that balance would get knocked down by just losing. From what it sounds like he kept playing to stay in the priority list for payout and continued to win even more...



The problem is, there shouldn’t be a “priority list” to cash out. You should be able to cash out whenever and for how much you choose. That would be like me going to the casino and buying in for $500 and then when I come back with $2500 they say I can only cash them out when other players buy chips.





The club is insolvent and should be shut down for several felonies involving wire fraud and money laundering at the very least.


This is exactly what happened. At the point I realized ‘priority’ cashouts weren’t going to get me much of anywhere despite what they were telling me, I quit playing and they quit paying.


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Old 01-03-2019, 09:02 PM   #129
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Adnan continues to post on his IG stories that none of the people talking badly about him on the internet have EVER come up to him in person and said anything to his face... and NEVER will. He knows for a fact that several people who talk crap online have come up to him in person acting like fan boys.

He posted the dates and locations where he can be found coming up soon.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:12 PM   #130
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who's whining? the guys who have gotten screwed over have informed everyone so more people don't get screwed over. that's public discourse; otherwise more people get scammed.

would you prefer they not whine and keep their debts to themselves while the host takes in more deposits and buys more bentleys?

if it wasn't for your 7,000 posts i'd have assumed you were just NYPokerKing in disguise, trying to victim blame your way out of a PR disaster.
The first things I said was that I'm amazed people like NYpokertard get away without getting killed or knee caps broken and that the word scam pops off the screen when you google his name. Hardly on his side am I? The thing is this thread would never see the light unless the person that was scammed is personally affected. It's super results oriented. Instead of "I got scammed for $x" thread should be "look I found this site that is a complete scam, stay away".

Instead of that I feel like these threads are more like some sort of public opinion pressure against the person that owes them in the hopes of getting paid after all. Maybe I'm wrong, and to give some people credit there were posts of other users warning about Adnab so it's not all bad.

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The club is insolvent and should be shut down for several felonies involving wire fraud and money laundering at the very least.
These clubs should be shut down the first day they operate. For some reason people are fine playing on illegal games and are outraged when they get scammed. It's the greed of players that make it continue, I get that, but why is it so normal for a community to have illegal activities openly discussed and have a risk/benefit discussion about it (Joey)? People shouldn't play these, period. If you want revenge after getting scamed, go ahead, but please have the balls as a community to do something more than just "warning" about scammers.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:18 PM   #131
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Since I am a fan of Ryan here you go.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:19 PM   #132
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it's really not if people are posting money up front.it should never be an issue.

what often happens is people play on credit, lose a ton of money, don't pay (same as sheet home games) and now the site can't pay out.

they have no clue how to run a business or room and or are just plain scammers.it happens all of the time.
I’m sure everything you said was correct but in my mind I was thinking that owing two players over $65K+ was quite a bit. The reason I say this is because I saw one of their daily deposit logs via screen shot and there were probably 35-40 deposits visible and I think the largest one was $250. The vast majority of them were between $20-50. So in my mind if our guys can’t get their balances until they see another $65K in deposits plus cashing out all the other small balances that people are asking to cash out... then they are in pretty deep. I mean if they aren’t even getting $20K in deposits per day then isn’t owing someone $20K let alone $60K that they cannot pay put them in the insolvent category? I might be wrong and just not understand how much they’re making on the regular.

The statement you made about them just not knowing how to run a business— I believe that’s probably the most accurate statement of everything in this thread.

When you add together people that running a business that don’t know how to run a business and you add in the fact that they are also known scammers, convicted felons and serious money problems and pay back issues then you get a BIG DISASTER that we all should have been coming from a MILE AWAY.

Also the last time our buddy Adnan aka NYPK ran a business he stole money from his dad and was convicted of grand larceny. So I mean if he’s cool stealing from his own dad I highly doubt he cares whether or not these guys get paid out. Just my thoughts.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:19 PM   #133
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I am quite heavily involved in this scene (not PPpoker specifically), and I just wanted to quickly post that if you EVER see that sort of cash out process, run for the ****ing hills ASAP.

"You gotta play more to withdraw" < AKA we are broke, we need more time to figure out funds or waiting for the whales to pay their debts and don't want to float. (Or just pray you lose it back to the fish)

As soon as you see your winnings coming from random accounts in small amounts you know the club is broke.
Anyone who has ever run a club / home game / even been an agent knows you need a float to manage funds.

If this NYPK dip**** is unable to pay a small 20k debt INSTANTLY then there is a massive problem and anyone who defends this is either delusional or literally an idiot.

When I say small, I mean relative to the amount of volume and rake that is generated throughout the club on a daily basis.

You would usually setup a withdrawal process with your players prior to play (settlements weekly, monthly, at x amount.. etc..) When this deadline hits, you get paid.. That's it.. If there is no transaction from either side then there is an obvious problem.

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Old 01-03-2019, 09:35 PM   #134
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https://youtu.be/cE--tWCCWqM
I made a video about my experience both playing in the club and interacting with the “king” himself. Haha I don’t think he likes me too much.
Pretty good stuff.
"New York Poker King wears a crown of penises"

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Old 01-03-2019, 11:41 PM   #135
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Adnan continues to post on his IG stories that none of the people talking badly about him on the internet have EVER come up to him in person and said anything to his face... and NEVER will. He knows for a fact that several people who talk crap online have come up to him in person acting like fan boys.

He posted the dates and locations where he can be found coming up soon.
Can you please post a link to his IG address and the list of his alleged locations on specific dates. Thanks!
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:08 AM   #136
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Can you please post a link to his IG address and the list of his alleged locations on specific dates. Thanks!
Not sure how to post a direct link but if you go onto Instagram and use the search function his username is: nypokerking

Correction, here is the link for you:


https://www.instagram.com/nypokerking/

You have to click on his stories to see the dates and locations for where he will be however here is what I’ve seen so far:

Thursday 1/16/2019 he will be at Borgata and then he said he would be there the following weekend as well. Those posts seem to be gone now and only referencing that first date but I remember the second too but it’s no longer posted on his IG stories that I see.

He also told Ryan Depaulo the degen vlogger extraordinaire that he would absolutely “slap the **** out of him” if he said even half what he typed to him via IG messenger.

I was putting 10/1 odds up to $100 bets that NYPK does not “slap the ****” out of Ryan. #1 because I don’t think Adnan would run a damn thing but his mouth and #2 because I don’t think it’s possible to actually slap the **** out of someone literally... LOL.

Cool part of the story: NYPK called me a loser sorry broke duck because I could only take bets up to $100 on the 10/1 odds.... LOL and yes I’m serious.

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Old 01-04-2019, 12:24 AM   #137
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Thank you. I ask that question having a strong idea of the answer but was interested on how you perceive things to be in general as you have experience on the operator side (allegedly )

I've met people who talk about colluding on these clubs as a badge of honor. The process to do so is very easy. The security in place to prevent this is non-existent. I agree you should keep a small balance on most of these sites or find a very trusting agent and someone who will guarantee your funds if something was to happen. (also a risk)

I do think that you can run well, find a smaller close-knit club with honorable agents, operators & players but you do have to run well to find this.

I agree that all clubs aren't approaching things from a scummy or ponziesque point of view. The problem is that the ones that are can take advantage of those who don't understand the difference very easily. You not only have to worry about being scammed by these people, you also have to worry about these people actively hunting you themselves & together w/ their friends as the weaker player as well.

I know some people making an incredible amount of money either as the main person in charge of the club/site and as agents for other club/sites. I also know players making a lot of money on these type of sites. In theory, there should be no reason to want to **** all that up. We know that isn't how it works.

It's interesting in that the people winning money on these type of club/sites don't have much incentive to let others publicly know for a few different reasons. One could argue that endorsing a specific operation as legit because you have won money on it might actually help to bring more bad players in and keep more bad players playing on the site but it doesn't work that way very often. Players talk privately about them winning money and that is one of the reasons these options are so popular as the word of mouth spreads locally.
I joined a union club a while ago. They have GPS/IP restrictions on the tables at all times. Do you know how ppl circumvent these restrictions to collude? Please elaborate. Thanks
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:52 AM   #138
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If only the OP had read Chase Bianchi's allegations 8 months ago - https://www.pokertube.com/article/in...-chase-bianchi
And if only Chase had read the warnings here on 2+2, months before that.

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That's calculated in the risk, dumbass. Call it a scam tax you pay for playing juicy games. People who honestly expect to realize 100% of their profits are either delusional or a standard greedy poker player.
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I would be upset because I'd be playing in a legal regulated game and they ****ed me over. Not a ****ing illegal game with no oversight and with scumbag scammers as hosts.

The fact some people here have the audacity to willingly play in illegal and scammy games but then start ****ing whining is disgusting. They're not victims.
Probably a number of us feel the same way about those who continued to play on Cereus after all that had happened there, but we didn't bother trashing people in threads about it because it wasn't especially productive. Whether I, or others, thought people should have kept playing on Cereus, those who lost money there were still victims, just like OP was. Yes, yes, I know, illegal games blah blah blah. That doesn't change the fact that OP is owed that money. None of us need to feel sorry for him, and probably shouldn't - but he's still been ripped off.

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Point is pretty simple, I guess i'll try in small terms. Many people have made the point if you deal with really shady people, you will more than likely get burned. You don't think you should reflect on that decision to get involved with that person, company, or whomever?

I dunno what people expect. I've only ever deposited small amounts(if at all) on "trustworthy" sites because i would never trust them with my money.

This doesn't change the fact if someone owes you money and won't pay, they should pay. But a little context and reflection would seem like a wise thing to do. Is any of this going to get their money back if he's as shady as people claim? IMO, if the IRS/Government got involved you wouldn't see any of it.

These sites/apps would never run obviously if people didn't give them money.

If the sites i play all of sudden went belly up and i lost the money i have, sure i'd be pissed off, but i wouldn't be surprised. I dunno if i would even post about it, as i doubt i'd ever see the money.
I replied to a post that said "too much talk about how NYPK is a crook", which I said would be ridiculous if meant literally. Said poster has clarified, and what he said made some sense to me. You said I missed the point, and I asked you what point that was. While I agree with everything you've said above, I don't believe I missed any of that - it wasn't relevant to my reply to said poster.

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I dunno if you seriously don't understand what i'm saying, i've seen many of your post and it's always these arrogant comments...but that's for another thread. I dunno why i brought it up here.
Me neither. Seems odd to be bringing up in the very same post you started with "Point is pretty simple, I guess i'll try in small terms".
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:13 AM   #139
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I can't wait to see how this ends. Beat-down or cuffs? I would personally hire this guy and forfeit 50% of my owed to pay him.

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Old 01-04-2019, 02:07 AM   #140
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You’d hire him because you are a weak nerd yourself don.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:09 AM   #141
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Kelvis acts like underground poker games haven't been running since before any of us were born. Illegal underground poker games are the only real poker option in the city I live in. Yes, poker tends to draw scummy scam artist types. Yes, there is risk in playing in underground games. However, that doesn't mean you should expect to have money outright stolen from you.

I do agree that people shouldn't have been doing business with this scumbag, but maybe they didn't have as much info as we do now. Regardless, the victims are not at fault and harping on about them is pointless and distracting from the real issue.

I personally played in a couple PPPoker clubs and I dealt with agents that I knew and trusted. The trust went both ways because they allowed me to play on credit. Yes there was a chance for collusion but most of the games I played in were softer than the softest live low stakes games you'll find at a casino because they were mostly filled with whales that normally play high rake live underground games.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:21 AM   #142
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Guys Joe Ingram just made a youtube video about these apps

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I love short video in this tweet

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Old 01-04-2019, 02:27 AM   #143
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Kelvis acts like underground poker games haven't been running since before any of us were born. Illegal underground poker games are the only real poker option in the city I live in. Yes, poker tends to draw scummy scam artist types. Yes, there is risk in playing in underground games. However, that doesn't mean you should expect to have money outright stolen from you.

I do agree that people shouldn't have been doing business with this scumbag, but maybe they didn't have as much info as we do now. Regardless, the victims are not at fault and harping on about them is pointless and distracting from the real issue.

I personally played in a couple PPPoker clubs and I dealt with agents that I knew and trusted. The trust went both ways because they allowed me to play on credit. Yes there was a chance for collusion but most of the games I played in were softer than the softest live low stakes games you'll find at a casino because they were mostly filled with whales that normally play high rake live underground games.

True, but it's not like he doesn't have the money, he decided to not pay because nothing will happen to him. Best to just hire someone to get paid, wouldn't want blood on your hands over some money.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:42 AM   #144
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I made a video about my experience both playing in the club and interacting with the “king” himself. Haha I don’t think he likes me too much.
Best ****ing video on the subject by far.
Love your videos man... I watch them as soon as I get the notifications.

I gotta teach you how to play VP though....
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:15 AM   #145
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I am a big fan of Ryan's too. I can't believe you are all such pussies and won't confront this POS and Ryan is the only one who wants to meet him. He is nothing to be afraid of, go see him and get your money, this type of turd only reacts when he is confronted by someone with balls ready to **** him up badly, he will pay you instantly believe me.
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I can't wait to see how this ends. Beat-down or cuffs? I would personally hire this guy and forfeit 50% of my owed to pay him.

LMAO

To those of you who don't understand, this is the video of hashtag king getting beaten at a private game.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:00 AM   #147
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I am a big fan of Ryan's too. I can't believe you are all such pussies and won't confront this POS and Ryan is the only one who wants to meet him. He is nothing to be afraid of, go see him and get your money, this type of turd only reacts when he is confronted by someone with balls ready to **** him up badly, he will pay you instantly believe me.
No he won't.

Clearly he's broke.

Blood from a stone, and all that.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:09 AM   #148
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I think Chicago Joey and a few others mistook my messages to be victim shaming.

That's not what I was doing at all.

I don't believe in victim shaming, and in fact it really annoys me when it happens after a poker scam. Nobody DESERVES to get ripped off, regardless of how foolish and naive they acted to allow it to happen.

With that said, I was just expressing surprise that Adnan was able to continue scamming through his PPP room, given the accusations against him since at least April 2018. You'd think everyone would have run for the hills after that. Perhaps just a lack of due diligence?

Joey's video on PPPoker was excellent. Big fan of his "investigative" work over the past several months. Countless people asked me in 2018, "Do you play on PPPoker?", and then they're surprised when my answer is no.

Yes, I've been a big online poker guy for close to 20 years, but I never trusted those PPPoker games, for a multitude of reasons.

Even if you have found a trustworthy agent and operator, you're still dealing with the lack of security on the app, which leaves it vulnerable in various forms.

Can it be hacked, to where people can see your hole cards? Nobody knows.

Was it designed to be secure for real money play? Nobody knows.

Is it incredibly easy or people to collude and multi-account? Definitely. As has already been pointed out, the greatest danger comes from the same guy being on two accounts at the same table, and using that to collude against you. Given that operators have no access to police or investigate this sort of thing, you have zero recourse if this occurs.

There are just too many ways someone can get screwed.

And you know what?

There's also the "playing on credit" issue, where whales play on credit, lose a ton of money, and then (wrongly) determine they were cheated, and refuse to pay up. At that point, even a well-meaning operator may not be able to pay out.

If I were to play on a PPP room, I would want the following to be true:

- Agent is a longtime member of the community in good standing, and known to be honest.

- Operator is longtime member of the community in good standing, and known to be honest.

- Nobody is playing on credit, or alternately, the well-trusted Operator is able and willing to cover all funds even if he's stiffed by whales who won't pay when they lose.
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I am a big fan of Ryan's too. I can't believe you are all such pussies and won't confront this POS and Ryan is the only one who wants to meet him. He is nothing to be afraid of, go see him and get your money, this type of turd only reacts when he is confronted by someone with balls ready to **** him up badly, he will pay you instantly believe me.
with that money?
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I think Chicago Joey and a few others mistook my messages to be victim shaming.

That's not what I was doing at all.

I don't believe in victim shaming, and in fact it really annoys me when it happens after a poker scam. Nobody DESERVES to get ripped off, regardless of how foolish and naive they acted to allow it to happen.

With that said, I was just expressing surprise that Adnan was able to continue scamming through his PPP room, given the accusations against him since at least April 2018. You'd think everyone would have run for the hills after that. Perhaps just a lack of due diligence?

Joey's video on PPPoker was excellent. Big fan of his "investigative" work over the past several months. Countless people asked me in 2018, "Do you play on PPPoker?", and then they're surprised when my answer is no.

Yes, I've been a big online poker guy for close to 20 years, but I never trusted those PPPoker games, for a multitude of reasons.

Even if you have found a trustworthy agent and operator, you're still dealing with the lack of security on the app, which leaves it vulnerable in various forms.

Can it be hacked, to where people can see your hole cards? Nobody knows.

Was it designed to be secure for real money play? Nobody knows.

Is it incredibly easy or people to collude and multi-account? Definitely. As has already been pointed out, the greatest danger comes from the same guy being on two accounts at the same table, and using that to collude against you. Given that operators have no access to police or investigate this sort of thing, you have zero recourse if this occurs.

There are just too many ways someone can get screwed.

And you know what?

There's also the "playing on credit" issue, where whales play on credit, lose a ton of money, and then (wrongly) determine they were cheated, and refuse to pay up. At that point, even a well-meaning operator may not be able to pay out.

If I were to play on a PPP room, I would want the following to be true:

- Agent is a longtime member of the community in good standing, and known to be honest.

- Operator is longtime member of the community in good standing, and known to be honest.

- Nobody is playing on credit, or alternately, the well-trusted Operator is able and willing to cover all funds even if he's stiffed by whales who won't pay when they lose.
As long as no one played on credit you would never have to worry about players paying up when they lose right? That would be one of my most important rules if I ever got involved in one of these clubs. NO ONE plays on credit.
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