I wasnt clear. yes, outing scammers is always important.


Point I was trying to make is that these App based poker clubs are not risky and peppered with cheating BECAUSE a known crook was running one.

They are risky and peppered with cheating regardless of who is running them, because there is ZERO transparency, ZERO regulation, ZERO oversight of any kind.

This environment attracts cockroaches and scrumbums and even might turn the most honest of people into junior cockroaches and scrumbums, as the temptation and ease which they can scam gets too great to resist.

There is a reason gaming for money is regulated around the world.

well that's it i admit i was wrong- clearly this guy was cheating to beat aces with double suited connected low cards in 5 card plo.

lmao@nypk making himself look even dumber than usual.

I saw that hand posted... facepalm

ADAM I got you man. So NYP Scammer made a post saying that Sizzler and DonkeyCopter are cheaters, yet they have proof of a processing withdraw. Man I want to shut this kid up once and for all. I have hours of Game Play with Sizzler, when I was playing on the pokerclubag I was recording my session . Not one hand was questionable. I have more videos of playing vs Sizzler you be the judge

Adnan Story... If you played vs Sizzler or DonkeyCopter please report.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK0f34Gj_lo&t=660s 1 Hour game play vs the so called cheater you tell me if you see any suspected hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVkihR0TBXM&t=264s

Second video playing with Sizzler, he was just a tight player and no hands were questionable



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrdql3KIkMo&t=249s

Third video so I am trying to prove that I played with Sizzler for a good 10 hours, but have some of it on video and not one hand is questionable or cheating.

MODS PLEASE DON'T DELETE THIS, YES IT'S MY OWN YOUTUBE CHANNEL BUT SHOWING PROOF THAT ADNAN WHO CLAIMS SIZZLER CHEATED IS A LEGIT PLAYER AND NOTHING SUSPICIOUS, AND YET I SPOKE WITH SIZZLER AND HE TOLD ME HE GOT LIEK 1000 OUT OF THE 22K OWED TO HIM, JUST A POOR EXCUSE FROM NYPOKER SCAMMER TO KEEP THESE INNOCENT PLAYERS FUNDS.

Guys Joe Ingram just made a youtube video about these apps

https://youtu.be/aV9uECcTjSs

You had to think something was up though when you kept getting the run around day after day. Then Adnan was too busy to actually show up and talk to you when he set the times for you guys to talk. I mean if he’s “too busy” to talk to one of his biggest members whom he owes $40K to then who the hell does he have time to talk to or sort out when things go south?

The more I think about it— they have to be running a MASSIVE ponzi or the admins are just flat out stealing money from the deposits. That’s a TON of cash for a small club to owe in the short term.

Anyone else ever wonder what his business is back home thats always busy working 24 hours per day that affords him a 7 figure bankroll.

Of course. But still being a member of the club (not booted when I was asking lots of questions), and not being aware of any other instances at the time where people were being completely stiffed of their balances, I considered it a non-zero chance that I could still get paid, or partially paid. After getting repeatedly blown off directly by Mr. Adnan (whomst I did not have direct communication with previously), it was clear to me that the designs were to not pay me.

This hand is so incredibly standard for someone who plays alot of 5 card PLO that it makes him look way worse for posting it.

that's how all these sites/apps operate when they are insolvent/just outright scamming.

i remember posting about full flush on here when they first started showing signs of not paying. i immediately pulled all of my money off. it took way too long to get it but i got it. some affifilaite who is still on here kept defending them (bc he's making money off of people who still played on there) and told me i didn't know what i was talking about. in the end everyone left got screwed out of their money.

i've been around a while a learned the hard way. i never got screwed out of a lot of money, but lost some money with small bs sites. the signs were always exactly the same. heed those signs.

there is 0 reason it should take more than a day to pay people on venmo/paypal etc if you aren't scamming/insolvent. this is even more so the case on these small local clubs.
oh paypal shut down your account or some other bs story- fine give me cash/parx/borgata chips i'll come pick them up. oh you can't do that? then your'e scamming or don't have the money. it's that simple.

i hope everyone reading this at least learns the warning signs about shady sites/apps and hopefully this makes it harder for scam artist donk nypk to rip people off.

i get the temptation-you got to play with total donks and ran 800 into 40k or whatever. i hope these guys get paid. or nypk at least takes a bat to the head one of these days.

it's really not if people are posting money up front.it should never be an issue.

what often happens is people play on credit, lose a ton of money, don't pay (same as sheet home games) and now the site can't pay out.

they have no clue how to run a business or room and or are just plain scammers.it happens all of the time.

Cliffnotes:

Good Player (later in thread revealed to be long-term 2+2 member DonkeyCopter) ...


... in late 2017: deposits $300, cashes out $1700

... takes break

... in late 2018: deposits $800, cashes out around $20.000

... total profit in his possesion: $20.600

... still has another balance of 43k not being paid out on for sketchy reasons (cheating allegations)



Now 2+2 NVG mob - AS USUAL -comes to the rescue (with frontrunners Kelvis et al.) calling victim stupid/shortsighted/gullible and "deserved to lose his money in this obvious scam", all based on (guess it's just standard for NVG nowadays)

ChicagoJoey attempts to post some perspective to the matter.




Victim himself gives following statement:

How is he a "victim" when he cashed out $20k+?

Fact is he made the decision to keep playing out of greed and it backfired on the rest of his balance. I never said that it is his fault, just that it's hard to have sympathy for these people. There is no "blaming", stop interpreting things the way you like them to be. Sucker.

Why go play on a site like this? Anybody capable of winning that big, knows the whole hard to get your money from the BIG online sites. So why take a chance on a little one?

https://youtu.be/cE--tWCCWqM
I made a video about my experience both playing in the club and interacting with the “king” himself. Haha I don’t think he likes me too much.

If I click on that will my PC get herpes?

Someone plz try and report back


These things are a completely different business model from a traditional online poker site, so its not a matter of big site or small site, its more like a traditional site run by a known online gaming company vs a new type of site run by some guy named Fred..

because he's owed 43k more, dumbass

That's calculated in the risk, dumbass. Call it a scam tax you pay for playing juicy games. People who honestly expect to realize 100% of their profits are either delusional or a standard greedy poker player.

scam tax, sure, i'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread understands that if you play on an app and settle with a bookie you are always paying/risking a scam tax to an extent.

but going so far as to say 43k is a "scam tax" and by virtue of having previously made a cashout somehow makes him not a victim is victim-blaming idiocy. he is a victim of fraud. you may not sob for him, that's fine, but you don't get to change the definition of the word.

I once saw a guy get half his stack in preflop with AK in NLHE, calling raises and re-raises the whole way, and it's not even a pair. He was up against QQ and somehow he won... Obviously he was cheating as this is highly suspicious!

there's a way to post the video so ppl can see that its not laptop aids (it's not btw)

Yes that's the basis, You send me $100 i send you 100 chips, it costs me 105 chips but costs you no vig.

Table slowly takes its cut while you play, then you finish your session ask to have chips cashed out and i take 200 chips from you, it costs neither of us anything to take the chips back - i pay $200 to you as a cashout and can reuse the chips.

admin makes money by there being less chips in circulation for every game that runs. The app tracks how much is being taken by every table, on a day to day data tab.

The club manager buys diamonds off an automated payment gateway setup by PPPoker and converts them to chips, 2 diamonds = 1 chip.


A club is just a club who runs its own tables with all it's own players.

A union is like a poker skin, up to 15(?) clubs all share player and table liquidity. This is why it's such a large uptick of risk.

Everyone in my club i have tagged by their real name and location, so a lot of questions about whether people are suspicious is solved. I know jonny from the northside isn't colluding with Chinese sam who he's never met.


In a union, one friend could join one club and another join someone elses club and it would be impossible to find a link due to software not showing you any details of other clubs players.



in response to your earlier post about the certified RNG, i understand this doesn't put anyone at ease about the safety of the games, that's not my intention. There were people saying you could superuse or that the software was unfair. That's not the case. Your only risks are in house via collusion or admin scamming.

Point is pretty simple, I guess i'll try in small terms. Many people have made the point if you deal with really shady people, you will more than likely get burned. You don't think you should reflect on that decision to get involved with that person, company, or whomever?

I dunno what people expect. I've only ever deposited small amounts(if at all) on "trustworthy" sites because i would never trust them with my money.

This doesn't change the fact if someone owes you money and won't pay, they should pay. But a little context and reflection would seem like a wise thing to do. Is any of this going to get their money back if he's as shady as people claim? IMO, if the IRS/Government got involved you wouldn't see any of it.

These sites/apps would never run obviously if people didn't give them money.

If the sites i play all of sudden went belly up and i lost the money i have, sure i'd be pissed off, but i wouldn't be surprised. I dunno if i would even post about it, as i doubt i'd ever see the money.

I dunno if you seriously don't understand what i'm saying, i've seen many of your post and it's always these arrogant comments...but that's for another thread. I dunno why i brought it up here.

LOL SCAM TAX! thats a new one
I wonder if youd be ok buying a 1 dollar lotto ticket and win 100million dollars and go cash it in, and they give you 30 million in cash and say have anice life sir!.... Are you going to feel robbed of 70milly?

I would be upset because I'd be playing in a legal regulated game and they ****ed me over. Not a ****ing illegal game with no oversight and with scumbag scammers as hosts.

The fact some people here have the audacity to willingly play in illegal and scammy games but then start ****ing whining is disgusting. They're not victims.

who's whining? the guys who have gotten screwed over have informed everyone so more people don't get screwed over. that's public discourse; otherwise more people get scammed.

would you prefer they not whine and keep their debts to themselves while the host takes in more deposits and buys more bentleys?

if it wasn't for your 7,000 posts i'd have assumed you were just NYPokerKing in disguise, trying to victim blame your way out of a PR disaster.