correct. the club manager now sells the newly purchased pp chips to their players for whatever actual currency they accept for deposits and then cashes them out via whatever methods they deem available.

The money to purchase the diamonds to convert to ppchips is paid to PPpoker from the start. That is how PP poker makes money on their app, by selling diamonds to club owners who need them to purchase chips, as well as selling diamonds to the players who can use them for a variety of things like timebanks, emojis, stats etc.

I have played on PPPoker for about a year with no problems getting cashed out, they key is to have a good agent that YOU trust and know he has the money to payout.

I am lucky my agent is well known around town by most of the local poker community, he also has his own underground bookie service, so everything from deposits to withdraws are done in cash as we will meet up every time. Even though I haven't had any problems, I still don't leave a lot of money on the site.

A lot of players don't have this luxury and have to take the risk, but playing in PPPoker clubs is a very decent option if all the stars align, very refreshing to not have to reg battle and play GTO bots... some very OOL PLO action at 2/4/ 5/10 and decent tourney prize guarantees.

I know for a fact that much of the small player deposits were getting redirected to players with active cashouts, but the larger deposits were generally getting sent directly to the club’s admin or adnans account. Especially larger BTC deposits.


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I played on this site as well. I believe this is donkey copter. The site was legit with all the action u could handle. I disagree with ANYONE that said "Adam" did something stupid or anything wrong. Its risk vs REWARD... Initially I was skeptical about pppoker app. If u find a agent and club that is honest and settled up, you will be very pleased with the app. I'm in 2 clubs(not 76100 anymore) and they settle up once a day. I've had family **** me over more $ than the poker community I'm a part of. Sorry dc.

Sincerely

Pp030ver

P.S. "Adam/donkey copter" was no cheater and or colluder in my opinion. He may have gambled crazy but that's half the poker world in PLO

A guy deposited $800 and has received $20,000+ back. I'm not sure that's such a stupid move.

LMAO!

Its Pp030ver from the app. I never seen you do anything shady my dude. Sorry this happened to you.

Right, and for that reason it's hard to have any sympathy at all for someone that chooses to play on an illegal site with known scumbags and happened to not get paid. It's kind of disgusting when they want to make it public after they personally get damages. Like they knew people were getting scammed, but instead of outing that to the community beforehand now it's a problem and they want justice.

This sort of greed is the reason why people can get scammed in the first place. But instead of taking it like a man, they come and whine on a forum about it in hopes of getting some sort of revenge or maybe even some money. If you wanted to warn people, you would have done it before you personally got scammed.

Zero sympathy for OP or anybody who plays significant money on a ghetto APP
How isnt it obvious by now these shady operations eventually go badly? Its been happening for yrs and wont ever stop.

So many people buy skins and create own sites, and from the begginning of time "agent" payouts have ALWAYS gone sour because they always will. Its been happening over 10 yrs, why would these PP clubs be any different? Its too good to be true because it is

I really hope you don't mean this literally, because that would be ridiculous. There can never be too much talk about NYPK, or any similar individual, being a crook.

I mean, just under 2 weeks ago, we had this post in the PPPoker Discussion thread:

When I confronted him on his allegations of how the other victim might have Photoshopped his accusations, he wouldn't back down. NYPK is high profile, the poster got paid, so everything must be legit, in his eyes.

These scammers need to be outed.

Of course light needs to put on the network itself as well, but we've seen in this thread why people are going to play there regardless of the risk. People will still play there as long as they think *their* operator is legit, so while the whole operation needs to be held to scrutiny, that shouldn't take anything away from highlighting individual operators that are stealing.

The pppoker group running in Toronto underground games is full of colluders.

The first time I saw pppoker being played was while I was at a 2-5 underground game. Three of the 8 people on my table were also playing $1-$2 PLO on pppoker and sitting right next to each other, sharing hands and staying out of each others way.

Thanks.

This is not accurate. I didn't know I was being scammed. Of course I had suspicions at the outset that grew over time. In fact, it was not 100% certain to me that I was being scammed until last night, when he started posting that I was under investigation for cheating. I wasn't even removed from the club until late last night, several hours after Chase posted here.

Up until yesterday, I was still receiving guarantees directly from Adnan over text message that I would still get paid out what I had won.

I understand the 'fold pre, bro' argument. I limited my liability with small deposits, and I ended up getting scammed for earned money. It sucks for everyone that got freerolled and lost, and it sucks for people who continue to trust Adnan with their money in any aspect.

I'm not claiming to be a white knight here, and I'm not whining woe is me. Though I figured getting scammed was a possibility, my incorrect assumption was a belief in the business sense of the people involved in the scamming - as in, why risk ruining a good thing, lighting the money tree on fire?

I'm not asking for 'revenge' either. Sure, I would like to have my money I worked for, but I risked getting booted from the club and never getting paid in order to warn people about what is actually happening in this club.

He's the scum of the earth and a complete scammer.
Nobody good at poker posts instagram chip stacks.
I just looked at his instagram. It's pathetic. Yea you're beating pit games for piles lmao.what a clown.

these guys deserve to be paid. but they should absolutely have been smarter than to get involved with this pos. if you're technologically savy enough to play poker on an app on your phone you can google this nypk idiot.

i don't trust playing on ppp or any of these apps at all for lots of reasons. but if i did play on them i wouldn't play on someone's site who is a known scammer.

i hear people talking about them/playing on them at the tables all the time (although a lot more 6ish months ago than now)
Naturally the people running them/playing on them want to recruit donks.
But you have to win, not get cheated by the site, not get colluded on, trust it's random,then actually get paid by who? some dude poker player who you hope is honest and is likely some degen donk? no thanks.

It really is sad that this is the state of online poker in 2018.

Joey this is exactly why they're popular. This issue is finding the sites worth playing on (game quality) as those that are trustworthy. Are there some honest people running clubs? I'm there there are. But so many people are obvious scammers, and then some others are charasmatic scammers which are even worse bc it's easier to fall in their trap. It's not like these apps have been around a while and you can say "yea this guy running the app has been doing it ten years , you'll get paid". They all pay out until they don't.
And then even if the person running the club is honest you have to worry about collusion and the higher ups that run the actual app super using you.

There is also way more risk for winning players than donks.
Donks may never even try to cash out.
They're going to lose anyway. A lot of them are degens who just need their fix.
If they do occasionally cash out even someone as dumb and as big a scammer as NYPK will pay them out bc they add some much liquidity to the site.

While i would put it a little different, this is my thoughts. Is this how bad peoples greed is? To go through this stuff and expect to get money? If you can't win on the major sites for US, i dunno what to tell you.

All this leads to more firepower for the Government to take over and tax to oblivion. Some responsibility and self control would work well here! If you all think "regulated" poker will fix everything...no wonder scammers make money so easy.

I think you are missing the point, Sure these people/sites need to be revealed if they are guilty. You have to have some personally responsibility if you are involved in this stuff. Use your head instead of only seeing $$ in your eyes

Instead of people just warning and saying i shoulda known better, still complaining they haven't been paid LOL.
Bottom line is, most people are going to scam if they can get away with it. I'm sure that will be a unpopular comment.

I'm looking for the point I've missed, but I'm not finding it. Perhaps you could make it more clear to me.

Not sure what this sentence even means. I guess that people can't complain they haven't been paid?

I don't know how unpopular it will be, but I would hope and expect it's wrong. However, that's a debate for some other thread, and I have no idea why you bring it up here.

OK, some people will scam. That's not exactly breaking news. What's your point?

This is fitting itt.

Can confirm this as well.

Nypokerking shared some of the damning evidence of cheating by DonkeyCopter. As you can see in this screenshot, DonkeyCopter was able to run down Aces in 5card PLO with a doublesuited and fairly connected hand. Let’s be honest guys, this is some sketchy sh**. Lol.

Yeh it’s bad. The union I am in, they had to kick out certain clubs just for how blatantly obvious it is they collude. And it still happens.

You can spot it immediately. It’s in every club. ESP PLO 4-5 card. That’s where it’s done the most. I had several of my players quit ; and stiff me bc the games are just tag teaming others. It’s disappoting. The app works so well too.

There’s a simple way you can just collude by yourself , using 2 PCs.

You couldn't have said it any better buddy. Let's give the perfect example, HashTag King, he bragged how rich he was, challenging Doug HU, then he rain up a 40 k sports bookie and this is what happened to him. I strongly believe in Karma, when you scam, cheat, you eventually get what's coming to you. I don't know how some people can sleep at night knowing they took someone else's money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRs4ZnGvMNY

lmao people actually trusted this clown? hes like the biggest tool ever bawahahaha they deserve to lose their money.

If only the OP had read Chase Bianchi's allegations 8 months ago - https://www.pokertube.com/article/in...-chase-bianchi

yeah people in general are dumb monkeys.