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Old 07-31-2010, 12:11 AM   #201
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Re: nutsinho tells kidpoker he still hasn't learned how to play poker

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this sounds like DN is the only one in the 5/1 1/2 games whos making mistakes but thats def. not true.
i didnt make it sound like this in any way. its crazy to think anyone is playing perfectly at all times...the best ones are just making less mistakes than others in the game that arent the best.
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Old 07-31-2010, 01:39 AM   #202
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I love how this ****** borderline got called out by a pro and ran away. I thought he was a 25/50 reg by the way he was talking about DN.
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Old 07-31-2010, 02:42 AM   #203
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DN deserves alot of respect both for his pokerskills and even more for his behaviour, he acts like a real man , a true stand up guy acting polite despite a bunch of idiots bashing him.
This. Much respect for Daniel's table manners.
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:02 AM   #204
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I don't think Ted Forrest comes across as a sleazeball.
100% agree, unless achieving superhuman status by means of conqureing seemingly impossible prop bets and soul reading is sleezeballish...

and if it is, i don't deserve the name sleezeball!!

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Old 07-31-2010, 03:16 AM   #205
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I hope DN continually improves and shuts his critics up. I don't get all the hate.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:03 AM   #206
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good post....tho i dont really think u need to justify urself here.

its pretty clear u understand ur a dog in the lineups ur playing in, and are trying to improve ur NL game. so when ppl criticize that this play or that play was awful and not even a 50nl player would make it, therefore u dont belong in these games, etc etc......theyre really missing the point.


NVG,
he could obv play at 50nl or even 600nl and work on some fundamentals, but when he makes these mistakes hes going to get punished less often for it thus reinforcing the bad plays for a longer period of time. playing w/ really good players allows him to see good lines they took and try to understand why they took them and hes going to get **** on a lot more when he makes mistakes which is going to force him to plug his leaks quicker. sure it might be more costly overall but he will get better in a shorter amount of time than grinding MSNL so if he has the money to pay for the lessons at 50/1 and 1/2 then good for him.
This is the exact argument I made when people said I should play 5-10 and learn at those limits, but I explained that I don't want to learn how to be a 5-10 grinder, and I can afford to play against the best players. I felt like, sure, I can learn in a 5-10 game and did spend a bit of time in it, but ultimately I felt my learning curve would be much faster against the best players and I think I'm right about that.

I've gotten a lot better and I know it. The game seems easier to me now in the sense that I'm in less spots where I think, "I don't really know how to play the Kh 8h in this spot." I have a better understanding for the correct lines to take and also consider what my range looks like, etc. Stuff I never used to have to do when I started playing.

I love the "New NLH" and find it way more fascinating than old school poker, but what you should all realize is that my approach to the game in, say, 2004 was just SOOO much better than the average player that I had no use, or no need to ever be concerned with anything other than this:

Make small raises
Play lots of pots
Fold to re-raises
Don't go all in without the nuts
Never bluff on the turn or river

Laugh all you want, but in 2004 I did just that and had a pretty big freaking year. Players got better. They all start making smaller raises, and bluffing less in big pots and paying off in big pots. That system to this day is STILL idea in most tournaments, in most situations. It's far too exploitable against top competition though.

Back then I could essentially play the tourneys in my sleep. Steal, steal, steal blinds and if anyone played back I let them have it unless I had the nuts. So freaking easy. Then when I'd call a raise with a 4h 5h if I hit it in anyway I got paid maximum. It was a totally different game and I truly got a bit bored of it. I know, sounds pompous to say that, but it's true. It was too freaking easy!

Well those days are over and I'm really enjoying the game again and I'm being challenged by it and want to excel at it and I feel like I've come a looong way in a very short period of time.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:04 AM   #207
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Re: nutsinho tells kidpoker he still hasn't learned how to play poker

i lol'd REALLY hard at this.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:08 AM   #208
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This is the exact argument I made when people said I should play 5-10 and learn at those limits, but I explained that I don't want to learn how to be a 5-10 grinder, and I can afford to play against the best players. I felt like, sure, I can learn in a 5-10 game and did spend a bit of time in it, but ultimately I felt my learning curve would be much faster against the best players and I think I'm right about that.

I've gotten a lot better and I know it. The game seems easier to me now in the sense that I'm in less spots where I think, "I don't really know how to play the Kh 8h in this spot." I have a better understanding for the correct lines to take and also consider what my range looks like, etc. Stuff I never used to have to do when I started playing.

I love the "New NLH" and find it way more fascinating than old school poker, but what you should all realize is that my approach to the game in, say, 2004 was just SOOO much better than the average player that I had no use, or no need to ever be concerned with anything other than this:

Make small raises
Play lots of pots
Fold to re-raises
Don't go all in without the nuts
Never bluff on the turn or river

Laugh all you want, but in 2004 I did just that and had a pretty big freaking year. Players got better. They all start making smaller raises, and bluffing less in big pots and paying off in big pots. That system to this day is STILL idea in most tournaments, in most situations. It's far too exploitable against top competition though.

Back then I could essentially play the tourneys in my sleep. Steal, steal, steal blinds and if anyone played back I let them have it unless I had the nuts. So freaking easy. Then when I'd call a raise with a 4h 5h if I hit it in anyway I got paid maximum. It was a totally different game and I truly got a bit bored of it. I know, sounds pompous to say that, but it's true. It was too freaking easy!

Well those days are over and I'm really enjoying the game again and I'm being challenged by it and want to excel at it and I feel like I've come a looong way in a very short period of time.
Good post, good to hear.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:09 AM   #209
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One more thing: many of the strategies that players are using today are things I was doing 10 years ago and I was the ONLY one doing it then. I got mocked back then for my approach to the game and now that the game has evolved many of those differences in the way I played became the norm. A simple example: preflop raise sizing in tournaments. Back then people came in for a MIN of 3x and often as much as 5x. I was coming in for 2.5x and everyone told me that had to be wrong because I priced in the big blind. My response, "So what. You think it's a bad thing to play a pot heads up in position against a guy defending too often?" No one understood it. Today, most all of you guys do and then some.
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:11 AM   #210
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One more thing: many of the strategies that players are using today are things I was doing 10 years ago and I was the ONLY one doing it then. I got mocked back then for my approach to the game and now that the game has evolved many of those differences in the way I played became the norm. A simple example: preflop raise sizing in tournaments. Back then people came in for a MIN of 3x and often as much as 5x. I was coming in for 2.5x and everyone told me that had to be wrong because I priced in the big blind. My response, "So what. You think it's a bad thing to play a pot heads up in position against a guy defending too often?" No one understood it. Today, most all of you guys do and then some.


Translation: Durrrr challenge?
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:15 AM   #211
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lol negreanuaments
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Old 07-31-2010, 04:47 AM   #212
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Translation: Durrrr challenge?
Um no, HAHA but I did laugh, well done.
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:35 AM   #213
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Re: nutsinho tells kidpoker he still hasn't learned how to play poker

drunken tilt, not much to else to say about this thread

enjoyed DNs commentary though, good to hear from you, its interesting to see things form your perspective


also the best beer ever is Blue point toasted lager. end of story
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:47 AM   #214
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is DN drunk now?
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:58 AM   #215
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Re: nutsinho tells kidpoker he still hasn't learned how to play poker

****ing 100-200 how does it work
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Old 07-31-2010, 06:18 AM   #216
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Thank you $6 HUSNG player for explaining to us exactly how DN should be playing in a NL20K game. Your in-depth analysis is much appreciated.

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this. imo
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Old 07-31-2010, 06:38 AM   #217
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One more thing: many of the strategies that players are using today are things I was doing 10 years ago and I was the ONLY one doing it then. I got mocked back then for my approach to the game and now that the game has evolved many of those differences in the way I played became the norm. A simple example: preflop raise sizing in tournaments. Back then people came in for a MIN of 3x and often as much as 5x. I was coming in for 2.5x and everyone told me that had to be wrong because I priced in the big blind. My response, "So what. You think it's a bad thing to play a pot heads up in position against a guy defending too often?" No one understood it. Today, most all of you guys do and then some.
awesome
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:33 AM   #218
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Re: nutsinho tells kidpoker he still hasn't learned how to play poker

Daniel in this thread (and the cameos by other well known players) are why I love 2+2.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:48 AM   #219
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i wonder how many posters in this thread hadn't played a hand of poker in 2003 and don't remember that to win in LHE pre 2003 it took understanding hand selection and pot odds and to win in NLHE it took raising pre and c-betting and then playing straight forward on the turn/river. in a sense a lot of people are commenting in a vaccum.
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:13 AM   #220
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the phrase 'class act' doesn't even cover it. what a legend
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:04 AM   #221
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<3 DNs responses itt
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:06 AM   #222
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pretty nice to see that DN and Juanda are back on track as it was obv they lost some over the time. I was always a big fan of both and seeing them improving agian is just epic if u think of all our Heros which somehow decided to end following the games...
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:10 AM   #223
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if DN is up after the 50k hands with this sick lines up .. hes going to have one new fan !
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:23 AM   #224
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DN = class act. He admits himself that hes a dog in these games and that he needs to improve, and is working to do just that. What more do u all want from him?
Haters gonna hate.

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Old 07-31-2010, 10:43 AM   #225
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One more thing: many of the strategies that players are using today are things I was doing 10 years ago and I was the ONLY one doing it then. I got mocked back then for my approach to the game and now that the game has evolved many of those differences in the way I played became the norm. A simple example: preflop raise sizing in tournaments. Back then people came in for a MIN of 3x and often as much as 5x. I was coming in for 2.5x and everyone told me that had to be wrong because I priced in the big blind. My response, "So what. You think it's a bad thing to play a pot heads up in position against a guy defending too often?" No one understood it. Today, most all of you guys do and then some.
put it in your next blog


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