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Originally Posted by LucidDream
good post....tho i dont really think u need to justify urself here.
its pretty clear u understand ur a dog in the lineups ur playing in, and are trying to improve ur NL game. so when ppl criticize that this play or that play was awful and not even a 50nl player would make it, therefore u dont belong in these games, etc etc......theyre really missing the point.
NVG,
he could obv play at 50nl or even 600nl and work on some fundamentals, but when he makes these mistakes hes going to get punished less often for it thus reinforcing the bad plays for a longer period of time. playing w/ really good players allows him to see good lines they took and try to understand why they took them and hes going to get **** on a lot more when he makes mistakes which is going to force him to plug his leaks quicker. sure it might be more costly overall but he will get better in a shorter amount of time than grinding MSNL so if he has the money to pay for the lessons at 50/1 and 1/2 then good for him.
This is the exact argument I made when people said I should play 5-10 and learn at those limits, but I explained that I don't want to learn how to be a 5-10 grinder, and I can afford to play against the best players. I felt like, sure, I can learn in a 5-10 game and did spend a bit of time in it, but ultimately I felt my learning curve would be much faster against the best players and I think I'm right about that.
I've gotten a lot better and I know it. The game seems easier to me now in the sense that I'm in less spots where I think, "I don't really know how to play the Kh 8h in this spot." I have a better understanding for the correct lines to take and also consider what my range looks like, etc. Stuff I never used to have to do when I started playing.
I love the "New NLH" and find it way more fascinating than old school poker, but what you should all realize is that my approach to the game in, say, 2004 was just SOOO much better than the average player that I had no use, or no need to ever be concerned with anything other than this:
Make small raises
Play lots of pots
Fold to re-raises
Don't go all in without the nuts
Never bluff on the turn or river
Laugh all you want, but in 2004 I did just that and had a pretty big freaking year. Players got better. They all start making smaller raises, and bluffing less in big pots and paying off in big pots. That system to this day is STILL idea in most tournaments, in most situations. It's far too exploitable against top competition though.
Back then I could essentially play the tourneys in my sleep. Steal, steal, steal blinds and if anyone played back I let them have it unless I had the nuts. So freaking easy. Then when I'd call a raise with a 4h 5h if I hit it in anyway I got paid maximum. It was a totally different game and I truly got a bit bored of it. I know, sounds pompous to say that, but it's true. It was too freaking easy!
Well those days are over and I'm really enjoying the game again and I'm being challenged by it and want to excel at it and I feel like I've come a looong way in a very short period of time.