Considering Doyle's poker experience, I believe that he is one of the least talented poker player in the WORLD

If you want to call yourself a great ALL AROUND poker player, you would need to.

Then again, I'd think that a person who specializes in one game can have much better general understanding of poker than someone who has good but shallow understanding of a million games, so I would still call the specialist overall better poker player than the million-game-fetishist.

I'm joking but yeah, I'd give Doyle the edge in all the games besides he/om against an internet pro. Pretty much have to. But he's been playing nlhe forever, shouldn't he be confident enough to take on anyone?

Isn't 500/1k online the biggest game that runs regularly at the moment?

Cliffs notes (because I was about to post this anyway):

This challenge is ****ing ******ed because all you have to do is keep switching games until you find one that you know better than the challenger, and then never switch after that.

I thought there are internet stud players too?!?

He hasn't been playing headsup, and isn't even very interested in it, so no.

Even for NVG, the stupidity of that is off the charts.

What? That doesn't even make sense. A person that specializes in one game can have much better understanding of poker than someone that knows many different games? What makes you think Doyle's understanding of games besides NLHE and PLO is "shallow?"

i think vos, hastings and Boosted J would have a good shot at this

Im gonna go with the +EV action.

The difference between the challenges is this:
If someone offered durrr the same challenge he offered everyone....do you think he would accept?(hmmm would you rather pay 3 to 1 or get 3 to 1?)

If someone offered doyle the same challenge he has offered(they pick the games, he gets 50% back) do you think he would accept?
Offering a challenge you wouldn't accept yourself is lol.

Durrrr isn't(nor is anyone else) saying he is the greatest pokah playa eva.
Just that he will crush your soul at HU NLHE/PLO online.

What is doyle saying? He is the best at hustling people?

Is he going to announce the games in advance? If so I'd say there's a good chance he'll get action. If not (so he can just pull out some game he made up, some format a game theorist worked out an unexploitable strategy for etc), then a) it's dumb and b) he's deliberately chosen a challenge that he knows will never, ever get accepted to try and make himself look good/feel like a man.

Pretty sure this will get accepted if the list of games is remotely reasonable.
Guessing there will be stuff on the list that there is one place to get the rules:

From Doyle.

Yes, think about it, someone may know the abc style and basics to a lot of games, but would you call a person like that a better overall player than someone like durrrr or jman, who only play one or two games, but have a SUPERB understanding of those games and general poker theory, including using game theoretical thinking to exploit villains/play optimally.

I haven't said that, but I doubt his understanding of any game is close to the same level as the top nosebleed players' understanding of the most popular games (NLHE and PLO).

doyle is getting pathetic...makes a challenge only by his exact terms with his exact games...how about he just name the game he wants and make it a challenge

Your analogy is wholly inexact.

For Durrrr to accept somebody else's similar challenge would mean that he would be playing them under their circumstances.

Here's the rub:

The Durrrr challenge and the Doyle challenge are essentially the same, except that Durrrr knows where his edge is and has thus announced his format. Because Doyle isn't as proficient in any game as Durrrr is at NL/PLO HU, he couldn't say what his game of choice would be. Just that, for anybody in the world, there is a game in which he could "crush their soul".

The challenges are similar in texture but have different claims; Durrrr is claiming an intensly specialized skill, and Doyle is claiming a highly broad skillset. Neither challenge applies to anything but those claims.

I'm not sure why you don't get this.

There's no game that Doyle could offer to the world and be +EV. If he offered Razz, he'd be snapped off by the top Razz player. If he offered PLO, he'd be snapped off by Benyamine, or Sahamies or whoever. If he offered LHE, Hoss would crush him. If he offered NLHE, I'm sure Durrrr and OMG would be happy to look him up.


Does that mean that he's not the most well-rounded? No, it simply means that he isn't the best at any particular game and thus would be silly to choose a game AND give odds in advance.

LOL.

It's not that intensly specialized skill to offer to play in either of two games that are atm by far the most popular ones.

Doyle isn't claiming a highly broad skill set, he's claiming that he knows multiple obscure games decently that most poker players know nothing about (or in worst case, haven't ever even heard of).

I highly doubt you're actually laughing out loud, but that's besides the point.

The fact that PLO and NLHE are popular doesn't mean it's not a specialized skill. It just means that it's a specialized skill that's broadly applicable. Durrrr further specializes this, by the way, by specifying that he would want to 4 table at the highest limits. Do you actually not understand why Durrrr's challenge isn't exactly, "anybody any game anywhere?", or are you so entrenched in your initial analysis that you're afraid to lose face?

Furthermore, Doyle's claim is nothing if not claim to broad knowledge. Try rereading your post again, and you'd realize you agree with me.

The lack of respect you give to Doyle almost makes me think your posts have to be a level. Either that or you have no clue what you are talking about. You don't think Doyle has a superb (caps not needed) understanding of NLHE or PLO? That part about exploiting villains and playing optimally is surely far beyond Doyle. Amazing how lucky Doyle has gotten in his life despite lacking an understanding of poker theory.

You doubt his understanding of any game is close to the same level of the nosebleed players that only play a couple games? Yep, Doyle has been a fish for 50 years. Hell, maybe Durrrrr should write a book on NLHE to smarten up the fish like Doyle.

Well durrr's like 50 years younger and he's probably played as many hands lol (not really but you get the point)

You definitely shouldn't underestimate how much I laugh at NVG posts.

Durrrr didn't say highest limits, only at least 200/400. He would prefer to play higher than that. Anyway, for a lot of people people hold'em and omaha = poker. It's not just that they are different games than stud or draw, they are also more SOPHISTICATED games. Hold'em is to stud what chess is to checkers, as Johnny Moss himself said.

Also, it would take ages to one-table 50k hands. Sure, durrrr's edge against the best of the best comes from 4-tabling, but he probably would be very happy to play Doyle even 1-tabling (with the 500k to 1,5m side bet).

Lol at it being broad knowledge to be able to play some obscure, ancient, forgotten game better than those who focus on the games that are actually played today.

Games go in and out of popularity. Will NLHE be the most popular game 10 years from now? Maybe, maybe not. The lack of respect or knowledge you have for anything other than five minutes ago does nothing to help your case.

I'm losing more and more respect for Doyle and the likes of him.. It seems they don't want to step into modern times and think they look better when they disrespect new players (which are often online players) who get attention.. When in reality they just look a little jealous.. It's clear that there are some very talented online players around, who you can call AT LEAST talented winning players.. There's no reason whatsoever to disrespect these players.. Also, without the online community/players poker wouldn't be half what it is today..

Nothing in my post was particularly funny, and considering you have yet to offer a counterargument that even flirts with salience, I figured you'd be reluctant to laugh.

Clearly I was silly.


200/400+ ARE the highest stakes. Once again, you're just affirming my point; Durrrr limited it to multitabling at the nosebleeds in 2 games.

Read this, out loud if you have to. If you still can't understand it, find an adult to break it down for you, because it's just getting foolish now:

Just. Because. They. Are. Popular. Does. Not. Make. Them. Any. Less. Specialized. It. Also. Does. Not. Mean. That. Durrrr. Has. An. Edge. In. Other. Games.


I agree that he would play Doyle under those circumstances, but do you think he would have offered the challenge to Ivey?


Where did Doyle say he would choose to play obscure, ancient games? Where did Durrrr say his challenge would be extended to one table?

Simply put, you're believing the best of Durrrr and the worst of Doyle and touting it as fact. If you can't see that you're biased, you're wildly delusional.

I mean, look at your avatar. I don't even know why I expected objective analysis.