About an hour later we are at about 68 and our table gets accused of folding around to sneak into the money (not true, but def playing very very careful). Tournament director comes around and we to keep our cards in front of us after we fold to make sure we are playing straight up.I've chipped up a little and now dread looking down at a hand. Utg short stack looks at his hand and sighs, limp utg, I have aqd in the small and call. Flop comes a72 and i check, he is absolutely not betting anything except ak so it gets checked around, turn is 4c (second club) and i min bet, the bb calls and the other guy folds, later he has to show 1010. river is a 7 and i check, the bb checks and my aq is good and I'm in great shape.
Scott Clements is trying to organize a deal and they pause the tournament for about 10 mins of absolute chaos, everybody agrees to a deal and then the chip leader states he wants 12k now. So no deal and after tons of yelling we get back to our seats with no deal in place. Director is loosing his mind, tells Clements if he gets out of his seat one more time he's out of the tourney (def wasn't nice about it). Clements manages to get a bunch of guys to chip in $200 apiece for the bubble, totalled $4400. At this point we are down to 64 I think and the short stack at our table picks up 1010 from early, he folds and at the conclusion of the hand is giving a penalty of once around the table. Buddy loses his mind and is threatening a lawsuit, "you can't make me play 10's in that spot!". He decides his best option is to walk away.

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Sounds pretty bad to penalise someone for folding there way to the money

Sounds like B.S. that any player folding would have to show period.

Isn't that what ICM is all about?

Can only see this being an issue if the whole table had decided to 'collude', and therefore had actually agreed to fold out each hand so that nobody lost any chips and all qualified.

Otherwise any player should be able to fold any hand in any position he wishes.

Can't be serious. What has gone wrong with TDs this week? Would the 10s have lost? Maybe on the bubble, all players should turn up their cards and the TD decides which hands are ok to be folded, after referring to his official TDA preflop hand chart. After all, TDs know the game better than the players. That's why they are TDs, and not making millions playing.

So the floor person would go around and look at everyones cards, without showing the rest of the table or what?

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Seems absurd if true.

If true, completely ridiculous. The TD can't tell you how to play. I've never heard of this before and if it happened to me I'd be furious and never play there again. TBH i'm struggling to believe that it's true because it's just so absurd.

also, because it's not clear unless you read the whole post, it's a 640 player satellite with 61 main event seats to the winners.

Another thing. In this type of format where the top 61 players get the same prize, there are a lot of instances where folding AA preflop is the right play. How can they enforce this?

Sensation,

No, this is certainly not normal. It is not the place of the TD to tell a player how to play their cards, in any situation. The TD is there to enforce the rules of the game and deal with situations as they arise and to stand there and tell people, who've used their own money to buy in, how to play their cards is absolutely abhorrent. So long as they are not colluding the players should be allowed play their cards however they want.

Cordially,
ANobleGent

sounds ******ed. that TD needs to go to TD school.

Folding tens UTG in that situation seems almost standard.

The tourney director can go fornicate himself with an iron stick, ridiculous ruling.

How deep was avg player and how deep was hero? Kinda curious how sick these live satellites get.

There should be hand for hand action on the bubble of MTT sats, but forcing a player to play tens? lol. Back when I played DoNs I folded AA a few times and it's ridiculously standard to have to do so.

Heard about this from a loud guy a table over from me on Day 2. He was playing with Doug Lee and Hachem, Hachem was dumbfounded.

WTF @ power-tripping TDs.

Seems as if there is some important info missing from this recap otherwise it obv makes zero sense.

This can't be something is missing about the 10 10 fold. No way a TD can do that there should have been total chaos if true

I can confirm it fwiw.

What about a situation where an entire table agrees to fold to the blinds every hand? It makes sense for all involved. How would any TD change this action. Reshuffle tables every 10 minutes?

Omg that is insane

Has to be more to story that a player folding 10's gets a penalty. I can not believe this and if true how the hell didnt players go nuts on TD to the point of having him removed

This can't be true. It's too absurd.

Well that is collusion and TD can take action including penalties to prevent collusion.

However a player deciding individually to fold TT UTG 7 spots from the money in which all in cash get equal payout isn't collusion. Hell it is the right play.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, folding otherwise strong hands to move up the pay scale or secure a prize is totally standard and valid. Pretty insane to require someone to play a hand that could potentially knock them out when folding guarantees the prize they want.