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08-12-2021 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Wow, this really made me remember just how old Rounders is, considering Siskel died in '99 and Ebert in '13, RIP to both!
Yea, you can already start to see the effects of the brain tumor on Siskel's health and appearance here. Rounders was released in September 1998, and this would've been filmed right around then, so Siskel didn't even last another 6 months after this.

Also. I noticed he incorrectly said that Hold'em, the game he "specializes in", is the one game played throughout the movie. I guess he forgot that they mostly play Stud through the majority of it, and Hold'em is only played at KGB's place, and at the casino in AC.
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08-12-2021 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by samcx
'The Card Counter' trailer looks ok. Really bad title choice though?
100% agree.. well... if ever the majority of the games they show is BJ, then i can agree with the title
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08-14-2021 , 12:53 AM
There is a new poker movie coming out. Saw the previews today when I went to see the Aretha Franklin movie "Respect" . The poker movie is called "Redemption" and a supposed poker player that reads cards...........
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08-15-2021 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Freewill2112
Siskel and Ebert liked it and that's good enough for me.

I liked it too. But that doesn't make it a good movie. It didn't make either's top 10 of the year, for whatever that's worth.
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08-15-2021 , 02:08 PM
Just saw a trailer the other day for a new poker movie. "The Card Counter" I did not know in poker u could count cards???

Rounders by far the best poker movie of all times!!! Seen it dozens of times. Matt Damon is a excellent actor. Just saw his latest movie "Stillwater". That guy goes deep in whatever character he plays.
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08-18-2021 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ivey #1 Fan
Just saw a trailer the other day for a new poker movie. "The Card Counter" I did not know in poker u could count cards???

Rounders by far the best poker movie of all times!!! Seen it dozens of times. Matt Damon is a excellent actor. Just saw his latest movie "Stillwater". That guy goes deep in whatever character he plays.
I'm still confused by this account.
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08-18-2021 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
I'm still confused by this account.
I think it’s a troll account but every now and then he forgets it’s a troll account and makes a legitimate post. That confuses us all. Or maybe that’s the ultimate troll move?
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08-19-2021 , 01:03 AM
Just pay The Queen's Gambit crew whatever it takes to make their next series about poker.
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09-01-2021 , 07:36 PM
New clip, and it's not promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiUA73YDm0
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09-01-2021 , 11:55 PM
Paul Schrader has had a long and storied career as a writer and director (Taxi Driver, Hardcore, Raging Bull, Affliction, and First Reformed, to name just a few of the films he's had a hand in), and I am eager to see this new one. But people who go in expecting a poker movie will be sorely disappointed.

This is from https://www.indiewire.com/2021/08/th...ew-1234660264/:

Schrader himself toyed with gambling when he lived in Los Angeles early in his career, but soon gave it up. “I very quickly realized I was only interested in gambling if it was really dangerous and I didn’t want to expose myself to that kind of danger,” he said. Years later, though, the experience helped inform his story. “There is this whole fantasy of gambling movies from ‘The Cincinnati Kid’ to ‘California Split,’” Schrader said. “But poker is all about waiting. People will play 10 to 12 hours a day and two to three times a day, a hand will happen where two players both have chips. Now you’ve got a face-off. But that doesn’t happen very often. Most guys who are there are running the numbers, the probability.”

He envisioned “The Card Counter” as a repudiation of the traditional poker movie, which builds to the giddy release of a final tournament. When that moment arrives in the movie, Schrader takes the movie in a bleak, shocking new direction. “It’s not really a poker movie — that’s a red herring,” he said.
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09-02-2021 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
New clip, and it's not promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiUA73YDm0
Wow that looks absolutely horrible, especially considering this is supposed to be the sizzle reel that drives us to watch the movie.

The only believable part is how bored Oscar Isaac seems to be at the wooden dialogue and horrible acting. Kudos to him for smashing that meal tho. (Based on the quality of this scene, I’m assuming there weren’t many takes, so even that small accomplishment may not be that impressive.)
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09-02-2021 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
New clip, and it's not promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiUA73YDm0
Wow, this movie looks dismal. First of all I can barely understand half of what Haddish says, and the dialogue is boring af, definitely a straight to video, or in today’s vernacular, straight to streaming.
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09-02-2021 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by agamblerthen
Paul Schrader has had a long and storied career as a writer and director (Taxi Driver, Hardcore, Raging Bull, Affliction, and First Reformed, to name just a few of the films he's had a hand in), and I am eager to see this new one. But people who go in expecting a poker movie will be sorely disappointed.

[snip]

“It’s not really a poker movie — that’s a red herring,” he said.[/COLOR]
Still, I wonder if it's "not a poker movie" in the same way that Bull Durham is "not a movie about baseball." The latter may be true, as it's more of a rom-com with baseball serving as a backdrop. But it was one of the rare movies that revealed many unseen parts of the baseball lifestyle, it eschewed many of the sports movie clichés (e.g. no game-winning homer to save the day), plus it fell into a key pivot point in the 1980s where striking it rich was no longer the happy ending for a movie***. ​And as a result, it makes many a list of the best "baseball movies."

I remain among those who are cautiously optimistic, but I'm also highly skeptical this film will have any chance of having the cultural impact that Rounders had for poker.

Rounders wasn't the first poker movie, nor is it even necessarily the best. But it was the first movie I ever saw to feature no-limit hold 'em, and maybe more important, it was the first bearing the narrative of poker as a game of skill. Add to that a new archetype of a poker hero in Mike McDermott. This triple threat combined to provide Rounders with an instant Cool Factor that the likes of Cincinnati Kid and Big Hand For A Little Lady could not have held in their respective days.

Rounders did not have to be a technically great movie to become a touchstone for poker, just like Chris Moneymaker did not have to be a technically great player to trigger the phenomenon that bears his name. Sometimes it's the right things happening at the right time. Conversely, The Card Counter could end up being an outstanding piece of filmmaking, yet it will not likely result in any uptick in interest for poker.



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***No kidding, this was a trend for many a hit film in 1988. I think the yuppie-esque dream must have been on a decline or something.

In Bull Durham, Nuke ultimately gets called up to the limelight of the majors, but the big winner is Crash, who ends up with Annie. In Big, Josh was becoming a successful executive living the high life, but ultimately opted to go back to being an awkward kid, in part to assuage his mother's grief and his own guilt for causing it. In Rain Man, Charlie forgoes a massive monetary settlement in favor of furthering the connection he made with his brother. In Working Girl, Tess' satisfying outcome was not cashing in on the idea that was stolen from her, but rather landing the mid-level position in the company that she rightfully should have had in the first place. And even in one of the great schlocky releases of the year, Cocktail, the main character ends up in a very modest bar in his old neighborhood, but dammit, he committed to being a father and husband – so we're supposed to pump our fist at this!

(The wife is Elisabeth Shue. He did fine.)

Of course, it was still the 1980s: money still informed many plot resolutions. Sure, in Field of Dreams, Ray finally connects with his father but the day is saved when we see that Terrence's prediction came true: a line of cars lines up for miles, each with some sap willing to pay money to see the new field. In Twins, Vincent finally does the right thing for the first time in his life by returning the valuable contraption and the seven-figure bounty on it – only to reveal to the audience that he gave back $4 million, not $5 million as had been established at the end of the first act. So hashtag capitalism, bitches.




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09-02-2021 , 08:46 AM
er The Cincinatti Kid starred Steve McQueen. That's instant Cool Factor.
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09-02-2021 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
A few clowns in here bad mouthing rounders, unreal.
Rounders is the best poker movie ever, but that doesn't make it a very good movie.
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09-02-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ivey #1 Fan
Just saw a trailer the other day for a new poker movie. "The Card Counter" I did not know in poker u could count cards???

Rounders by far the best poker movie of all times!!! Seen it dozens of times. Matt Damon is a excellent actor. Just saw his latest movie "Stillwater". That guy goes deep in whatever character he plays.
You missed Dogma ?
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09-02-2021 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
You missed Dogma ?
He banned, can’t reply lol.
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09-02-2021 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
New clip, and it's not promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFiUA73YDm0
This clip reminds me of an interview with Tom Dwan where the interviewer asked about anything that has changed in the last 10 years, both professionally and personally. The back and forth was (paraphrasing):
Interviewer: What has changed the past 10 years in your poker game and personally?
Tom: So you're asking about poker
I: That and anything in your life
Tom: So poker?

So while the dialogue in the clip is boring AF, I can't really call it inaccurate. I don't know why you'd film it and put it in a movie. It would be crazy to release it as a clip prior to release.
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09-02-2021 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Still, I wonder if it's "not a poker movie" in the same way that Bull Durham is "not a movie about baseball." The latter may be true, as it's more of a rom-com with baseball serving as a backdrop. But it was one of the rare movies that revealed many unseen parts of the baseball lifestyle, it eschewed many of the sports movie clichés (e.g. no game-winning homer to save the day), plus it fell into a key pivot point in the 1980s where striking it rich was no longer the happy ending for a movie***. ​And as a result, it makes many a list of the best "baseball movies."

I remain among those who are cautiously optimistic, but I'm also highly skeptical this film will have any chance of having the cultural impact that Rounders had for poker.

Rounders wasn't the first poker movie, nor is it even necessarily the best. But it was the first movie I ever saw to feature no-limit hold 'em, and maybe more important, it was the first bearing the narrative of poker as a game of skill. Add to that a new archetype of a poker hero in Mike McDermott. This triple threat combined to provide Rounders with an instant Cool Factor that the likes of Cincinnati Kid and Big Hand For A Little Lady could not have held in their respective days.

Rounders did not have to be a technically great movie to become a touchstone for poker, just like Chris Moneymaker did not have to be a technically great player to trigger the phenomenon that bears his name. Sometimes it's the right things happening at the right time. Conversely, The Card Counter could end up being an outstanding piece of filmmaking, yet it will not likely result in any uptick in interest for poker.



Spoiler:

This actually does contain spoilers... lots and lots of spoilers:

Spoiler:
***No kidding, this was a trend for many a hit film in 1988. I think the yuppie-esque dream must have been on a decline or something.

In Bull Durham, Nuke ultimately gets called up to the limelight of the majors, but the big winner is Crash, who ends up with Annie. In Big, Josh was becoming a successful executive living the high life, but ultimately opted to go back to being an awkward kid, in part to assuage his mother's grief and his own guilt for causing it. In Rain Man, Charlie forgoes a massive monetary settlement in favor of furthering the connection he made with his brother. In Working Girl, Tess' satisfying outcome was not cashing in on the idea that was stolen from her, but rather landing the mid-level position in the company that she rightfully should have had in the first place. And even in one of the great schlocky releases of the year, Cocktail, the main character ends up in a very modest bar in his old neighborhood, but dammit, he committed to being a father and husband – so we're supposed to pump our fist at this!

(The wife is Elisabeth Shue. He did fine.)

Of course, it was still the 1980s: money still informed many plot resolutions. Sure, in Field of Dreams, Ray finally connects with his father but the day is saved when we see that Terrence's prediction came true: a line of cars lines up for miles, each with some sap willing to pay money to see the new field. In Twins, Vincent finally does the right thing for the first time in his life by returning the valuable contraption and the seven-figure bounty on it – only to reveal to the audience that he gave back $4 million, not $5 million as had been established at the end of the first act. So hashtag capitalism, bitches.




This multi-layered post is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

I think the next level iteration will be following a character from Rounders, across other poker-featured movies featuring a character previously played by the same actor ....

Mike McDermott playing and losing in Las Vegas to Ted "Theodore" Logan, who once colluded with Mr. The Kid.

Last edited by Gzesh; 09-02-2021 at 12:15 PM.
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09-02-2021 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Mike McDermott playing and losing in Las Vegas to Ted "Theodore" Logan……
……in Ted’s Poker-Themed Hotel.
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09-02-2021 , 06:30 PM

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09-02-2021 , 11:10 PM
Great early reviews. 100 on RT and 82 on Metacritic
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09-02-2021 , 11:12 PM
They must not have seen the trailer.
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09-02-2021 , 11:37 PM
So I’m convinced “poker is a red herring” simply means poker is the catalyst that drives this guy to bloody revenge. I think there’s going to be a ton of graphic violence and unexpected plot twists.

That being said, the dialogue is stale and predictable and Haddish seems like she only took the role for a paycheck and isn’t giving it her all to act the part. Still, given the overlying poker theme and potential for violence and twists, I give it a 3.5/5. That’s my official review.
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09-02-2021 , 11:40 PM
LOL plot twist
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