Do you not think that other poker variants, including some which haven't been invented, becoming more popular is more likely than poker dying off completely?

After all, presumably the variants that are popular now which were unknown 50 years were also developed as a result of changing game conditions.

any good pros talk about this situation?? ike haxton for once?? phil galfond??

They will start talking in a few years. When bots and 3rd party software starts affecting them personally....

well yes because it takes people a long time to figure out super-stud or badeucy, the sharp minds live off the slow minds then change the game but in the near future a computer program could solve these games in seconds. slow minds can catch up to quick with computer aid and other slow minds will quit completely because its "rigged" "solved" "no fun".

These are the cheaters too dumb, lazy or naive to take easy precautions to cover their tracks. We have to assume that there are far more who are not.

in the incredibly selfish world of the pro poker player people with concerns about probable bots would have informed stars about them and avoided playing with them but kept quiet to other players and forums as threads like this would scare players off and harm the liquidity of the plo games. its much the same as people that have been scammed that are more than happy for other people to be scammed for months if it increases their chances of being paid back.

Pokerstars doesn't need to run bots. All they have to do is "allow" them.

Think about it. They are "allowing" bots to play 12+ tables 24/7 and if they get caught, they take the money in the accounts and they give SOME money to the victims. It's a win/win for them.

someone come up with a 2 deck card game. would have the benefit of decreasing a card sharing edge and also bring up the running time of the game solving algorithms into the infeasible realm.

Someone just tweeted at me that couple players featured in excel example are real people. For what it's worth. Don't know the guy. Id link pic but on my phone. My Twitter is apokerplayer if someone wants to ask that guy more.

I play on a legal, regulated U.S. site (wsopNV) and they don't allow HUDs and the games are great (unfortunately they allow HUDs in NJ). If poker comes back to the U.S. full force they should have severe legal ramifications for using a bot or a hud. When a few people go to prison for the first time for using a bot or a HUD then things will change and online poker will flourish. They have the technology to catch/prevent people from doing this.

Bots may be a big concern but they are already illegal and they can be dealt with. It's HUDs that will kill online poker. There must be a strictly enforced ban on using them if online poker is ever going to flourish.

I would get great joy at seeing one of these scumbag botters being hauled off in cuffs to a federal pound me in the ass prison. They are worthless cheaters.

I hope this scandal keeps Pokerstars from returning to the U.S. They were supposed to launch soon in NJ. Serves them right.

This is now the #1 top news on Pokernews.com

How blind do you people have to be to not realize that HUDs are precisely what allowed to find these bots in the first place?

Also people who talk about this being collusion r wrong, just bc it's suspicious activity, doesnt mean it's collusion, stop and analyse what u have in front of you. U have about 16 stats that close to equal in all accounts, colluders are still people just bc they see extra cards doesnt mean they suddenly play the same.

So this has to be some type of programming, not necessarily bots, or it might be some type of multiaccounting business by a single person.

So we can't trust the players, clearly... but we also can't trust the site's software itself. How could anyone possibly trust something without ever seeing the actual software code? I've been playing on the play money side of Stars since they allowed we "Land of the Free" (LOL that's a good one) Americans back on, and the RNG is highly suspect. They're very obviously using what I call an "Action RNG" or what others might call a "pseudo random number generator". How else did you expect Amaya to recoup BILLIONS that they paid? By being honest in a world that rewards dishonesty??!! The poker world is truly filled with suckers and saps.

you pay to get play money chips to play on stars when there are other free options elsewhere? sucker!

Nice try bud (not really)... I had 11 million play chips from pre-Black Friday days of playing on Stars, and when I returned this year, they were still in my account. I don't remember even playing on the play chip side back in the day (the good old days) when we were "allowed" by our (mis)leaders to play with "Federal" (lol) Reserve Notes... so maybe I'm a scammer? Why don't you try that angle instead, bud? Maybe you'll get lucky and figure me out!

Oh yeah, I've doubled my stake to 22 million play chips now, but I still see "issues" with the RNG. So why not say it's just sour grapes on my part - go for the gusto and accuse me of everything, why the heck not?!

2008 Reg date and still clueless :/. Rigtard thread is -----> way.

Is the dream over?

Lol. Still doesn't mean HUDs aren't killing online poker, because they are.
If your sole argument in favor of HUDs is to find bots then that's laughable.

NV GCB studies and approves all software.
It took wsop months to fix a (publicly unknown) bug in their limit software. Part of that is they need approval for any change in the software.

The problem is that wsop hasn't had enough money at play to make a concerted effort to scam worth it. What happens when/if that changes is anyone's guess.

Make another thread if you want to talk about that issue, don't detract from the current one.

Damn, I thought of this yesterday ...back to the drawing board lol.

Actually, nvm .You sum it up pretty well ..There is no way to stop a bots/rings. The more they try to stop them, all the botters/programmers have to do, is have slightly more human involvement.


gg online poker
gg live poker (card marking, chip smuggling, colluders)

so basically, gg Poker


In b4 live botters wearing sun glasses that can scrape hole cards/boards and relay their buddy's hole cards sitting 2 seats over while having the bot produce the correct plays

I don't understand. How can the only monitor so much? poker stars can't code their software in such a way that they get complete access to everything that's going on on your computer everything. Seriously? call it ignorance on my part I guess but I'm dumbfounded by this.

I'll post about the bolded later.

I just found out that the 7th account I was referencing in this post was banned 28 months after being reported to poker stars for being a bot.

All hand histories can/should be made available 24 hrs after a session is done. That way people can review and check up on hands. The problem is Pokerstars makes their hand histories available in real time. Allowing HUDS and bots to work easily.

Does Pokerstars have a piece of the hud manufactures? Why do they even allow it? What do they get out of? They must know it is turning off rec players.

^Bots don't need a HUD to function. I might be completely ******ed here but I don't think they adjust and play exploititively.

Maybe I shouldn't comment on something I really don't know anything about, heh (srs, not being facetious)